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[#1] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 1:29:00 PM
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I recently purchased a home in twin cities area of minnesota built in 2000

Upon inspection of the home, the inspector checked out my deck on the rear of the house.

He noted that the ledger needed extra flashing which I would like to complete myself, however through some recent research I have come up with a couple questions which I will get to shortly.

The inspectors comment was that given the ledger is made of 2 pieces of wood and only ONE is flashed, that rain may get inbetween the boards and make its wait to the bolts that anchor it to the home. Once the water gets there, it could follow the bolts into the home.

Questions:

1. Is this a concern? (See photo)
2. I have read that steel or aluminum flashing should not be used on pressure treated wood due to corrosion issues. Is this the case? I believe the wood is treated.
3. I recently read that flashing should not have screws or nails going into it, however if you look at the top of the deck, you'll see that there would infact be nails going into the flashing if I were to pull the screws, install the falshing, and reinstall the screws (See photo)

Thanks for your help!





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[#2] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 2:01:03 PM
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Look here:

http://www.awc.org/publication...6-09.pdf

Page 10 and Figure 14 should help.

Based on the direction of the deck boards it seems that the structure is running parallel to the building and the board you are concerned about is just a deck joist.

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[#3] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 2:59:26 PM
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Hi Steve, thanks a lot for the info.

I was looking at the deck more closely before you replied and was thinking it was strange that the boards ran perpendicular to the house (not parallel), and that the under side of the deck was built a bit differently than I remember seeing on other decks in the past.

After looking over the document you referred me to, I now see that it is a 'Free Standing' deck. This makes a lot of sense, as it is attached to the house at an overhang (see page 12 figure 18). Due to this, there are additional pillars to support the vertical load.

Symantically speaking, I think you're right in that the board in which the lag bolts attache the deck to the house is technically called a rim joist - however it appears that I either have a rim joist that is made out of two 2 bys or 1 rim joist and 1 ledger board.

At any rate, the flashing does not cover the full depth of those boards. I took one of the lag bolts out and it appears to be 6" in length and goes 2.25" into the house (past interface of ledger board and homes exterior).

That said and the fact that page 15 figure 23 indicates that the flashing should cover the entire depth of the board makes me still concerned and therefor my original questions still stand.

I hope I'm not being confusing.

Here are some additional pics of the house.

Thanks again!






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[#4] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 2:59:57 PM
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That's an unfortunate headache. They flashed the ledger, but then nailed a joist right to it. Water will get in between the two pieces and start rotting them out. Fix it now or fix it later. What I might do it to remove all the screws and the ends of the decking, remove the unflashed joist from below, re-install the joist with spacers (probably 3/4" thick PT or maybe PVC trimboard), and then re-screw the decking through new holes. The air gap between the two boards will prolong their life.

Steven's link above also shows a good detail. You would probably need to remove some siding to do it, and you would need to be able to slide the flashing in from the end... or else just remove the decking completely to install it.

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[#5] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 3:11:12 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by David Meiland



Steven's link above also shows a good detail. You would probably need to remove some siding to do it, and you would need to be able to slide the flashing in from the end... or else just remove the decking completely to install it.


Hi David,

I was thinking similar to your comment about sliding the new flashing in from the end and potentially taking some siding off. If I were to go that route, though I would first remove the top screws at the very end of each board so I could lift them a small amount in order to slide the flashing in from the end. After I get it in, I would put the screws back in (see my first photo in this post) and the flashing would now have screw holes in it which I have read is not good. Thoughts on that?

Maybe I should just leave those end screws out?

Thanks!

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[#6] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 6:29:27 PM
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If this were my house I'd see if I could get a look at the bolts at the interior to determine if there has been any past moisture entry. If I didn't see any signs of moisture intrusion I'd just leave it like it is.

It has four supports under two beams that support all of the joists.
This deck is self supporting and the bolts only keep it anchored to the house.

The big concern with bolts and flashing is when the bolts are the only support at the house attachment which is what I see most of the time here in the south. In that case if the bolts fail the deck falls.

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[#7] Posted: 07/24/2011 - 6:32:11 PM
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Diagonal bracing?
Tie Downs?

Get someone that knows about decks to take a few hours to make it safe and secure. Should not cost too much.


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