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I've never noticed that before. Do you think that is a common label?
By the way, was it oriented the "right" direction?
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The manufacturer was "Grant". I've never seen the brand or the label before. Yeah, it was installed correctly.
Except for the concave basement foundation wall, this house is the closest to being defect free of any I have inspected.
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Looks like a lawsuit induced label.
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[#7] Posted: 12/27/2011 - 06:45:29 AM | | |
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That stuff is what I have always called "waferboard", as it doesn't have as much structural value as OSB. Don't see it much.
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[#9] Posted: 12/27/2011 - 10:08:53 AM | | |
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That stuff is what I have always called "waferboard", as it doesn't have as much structural value as OSB. Don't see it much. Really? Seriously? Come on; it's about time to wake up to some construction realities.
Jim, waferboard and OSB are not even the same thing and OSB is actually stronger in shear value and equivalent in structural strength and holding power to plywood - in some cases OSB is actually stronger because it's more consistently made.
OSB rules here and has for longer than the nearly 16 years I've been in this business. If it has been able to hold up in this damp climate, it can hold up anywhere. One just has to educate oneself about how the product differs from conventional lumber or plywood and adjust techniques accordingly - the same way one must adjust techniques for plywood versus real wood.
Markings on plywood and OSB are standardized throughout the lumber industry just like the markings you see on timber. The panels are marked that way because they are cut to a standard length - either 4 by 8, 4 by 9, or 4 by 10 ft. If they were pre-sized for spacing, it would say "sized for spacing" on the panel and there'd be no need to trim every few panels to length to keep them centered on framing and properly spaced because they'd already be cut shorter and narrower at the mill. Manufacturer's apply a slip resistant surface to OSB for safety purposes and then they mark it so that the installer will know to apply to slip-resistant surface upward. It's a smart thing to do because it can reduce on-the-job accidents. That marking is usually found along with the APA required rating stamp and instructions.
I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed. I know you're one of the best in the business, but it sounds like you've been sleeping under an apple tree for the last twenty years. As home inspectors, we're expected by your clients to be experts about how buildings work and the materials in them. That includes educating yourselves about the performance characteristics of the newest building materials - even if we don't personally like those building materials - and we shouldn't interject personal prejudices into it - especially if our prejudices are the uninformed type.
OSB isn't even a "new" building material. It's 2011 and OSB has been around for a long time. It's time to do a little open-minded reading about plywood versus OSB; and then, the next time you do an inspection, leave your prejudices about it at the door.
Here's an article written by my moderator predecessor at the JLC Building Science forum, here's a link to an APA document that describes performance rated panels and here's a link to a whole page of factual documents at the APA site that cover the whole range of OSB products.
If you're not already registered on the APA site, you'll need to do so. It's free and they don't spam you unless you ask them to by not un-checkinig the list of stuff they'll automatically send you when you register.
See you back in the 21st century.
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[#10] Posted: 12/27/2011 - 10:50:34 AM | | |
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That stuff is what I have always called "waferboard", as it doesn't have as much structural value as OSB. Don't see it much. Really? Seriously? Come on; it's about time to wake up to some construction realities. Jim, waferboard and OSB are not even the same thing and OSB is actually stronger in shear value and equivalent in structural strength and holding power to plywood - in some cases OSB is actually stronger because it's more consistently made. OSB rules here and has for longer than the nearly 16 years I've been in this business. If it has been able to hold up in this damp climate, it can hold up anywhere. One just has to educate oneself about how the product differs from conventional lumber or plywood and adjust techniques accordingly - the same way one must adjust techniques for plywood versus real wood. Markings on plywood and OSB are standardized throughout the lumber industry just like the markings you see on timber. The panels are marked that way because they are cut to a standard length - either 4 by 8, 4 by 9, or 4 by 10 ft. If they were pre-sized for spacing, it would say "sized for spacing" on the panel and there'd be no need to trim every few panels to length to keep them centered on framing and properly spaced because they'd already be cut shorter and narrower at the mill. Manufacturer's apply a slip resistant surface to OSB for safety purposes and then they mark it so that the installer will know to apply to slip-resistant surface upward. It's a smart thing to do because it can reduce on-the-job accidents. That marking is usually found along with the APA required rating stamp and instructions. I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed. I know you're one of the best in the business, but it sounds like you've been sleeping under an apple tree for the last twenty years. As home inspectors, we're expected by your clients to be experts about how buildings work and the materials in them. That includes educating yourselves about the performance characteristics of the newest building materials - even if we don't personally like those building materials - and we shouldn't interject personal prejudices into it - especially if our prejudices are the uninformed type. OSB isn't even a "new" building material. It's 2011 and OSB has been around for a long time. It's time to do a little open-minded reading about plywood versus OSB; and then, the next time you do an inspection, leave your prejudices about it at the door. Here's an article written by my moderator predecessor at the JLC Building Science forum, here's a link to an APA document that describes performance rated panels and here's a link to a whole page of factual documents at the APA site that cover the whole range of OSB products. If you're not already registered on the APA site, you'll need to do so. It's free and they don't spam you unless you ask them to by not un-checkinig the list of stuff they'll automatically send you when you register. See you back in the 21st century. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike
Don't see waferboard much, I meant. Sheesh
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[#11] Posted: 12/27/2011 - 2:25:50 PM | | |
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Sorry if you felt lectured; but really you aren't the only one - there seems to be a very common idea out there that OSB is an inferior product. I just used your post as a means of saying what needed to be said so that everyone would get the message.
Lots of folks said that horseless carriages would never replace horses as our primary mode of transportation and look what happened. The sooner we can get the message out and can make inspectors realize that this stuff is here to stay and stop fighting it the better.
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I'm still trying to wrap my brain around Chad thinking about Marc. I mean . . .
Well . . . what is there to say, really?
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I'm still trying to wrap my brain around Chad thinking about Marc. I mean . . .
Well . . . what is there to say, really?
Hey, he can take a punch. What more is there? Anyone that can soak up, internalize, and move past the barrage we laid on him (he was acting a bit churlish) deserves respect. And, he's filled a void in the collective knowledge base.
I totally agree, but I think you misunderstood. What I was trying to say is I was surprised Chad was thinking about another . . . man.
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My grandaddy built my mama's house in 1952. He didn't believe in sheetrock, regarded it as a cheap substitute for real plaster, which he insisted on, along with the oak strip flooring throughout. When he dug the daylight basement, people told him to waterproof the front foundation wall, as it was way below grade. His solution was to slope the basement floor about one foot in twelve. When it really rained the sloped floor flowed.
Not that he wasn't up on technology. He had a galvanized pipe installed in the attic right up through the roof with a little elbow near the top. The TV antenna was mounted thereto, with the flat wire fed down through the pipe. He stood with me in the front yard one day and told me that antenna arrangement was the "only one in captivity".
Oh yeah, and he didn't use no plywood roof or floor sheathing. It was all yellow pine boards, the subfloor being undressed and laid on the diagonal.
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I'm still trying to wrap my brain around Chad thinking about Marc. I mean . . .
Well . . . what is there to say, really?
You should have known you would get "the look" for that one. I saw it coming.
I WILL stop trying . . . one day.
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[#23] Posted: 12/28/2011 - 10:55:21 AM | | |
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Quote: Originally posted by BainQuote: Originally posted by gtblumQuote: Originally posted by Bain
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around Chad thinking about Marc. I mean . . .
Well . . . what is there to say, really?
You should have known you would get "the look" for that one. I saw it coming. I WILL stop trying . . . one day.
Now, I'm giving you the look. That's never gonna happen.
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