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[#2] Posted: 02/08/2012 - 07:12:59 AM |  |  |
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Erby, doesn't your disclaimer protect you?
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[#3] Posted: 02/08/2012 - 09:13:07 AM | | |
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From a judgement, maybe. No disclaimer will protect you from getting the summons.
However, he ain't looking back at me. He's looking at the agents. One (Listing) that said there was a septic system in his advertising materials and one (buyer's) that told him not to bother getting it inspected. I do note that he also bears some responsibility for not getting the thing (that wasn't there) inspected in the first place.
It's a mess that will sort itself out.
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[#5] Posted: 02/08/2012 - 10:16:10 AM | | |
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I think it's worthy of remark that "missing" septic systems are common enough in KY that your disclosure has a check box for it.
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[#6] Posted: 02/08/2012 - 11:25:28 AM | | |
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Must have been sandy soil. Not so sandy now. 
There are cases where the authority will call for new fill, if perc tests show the drainage is too good. The logic is that the effluent will just flow through gravel or sand into the nearest creek. The soil needs a bit of clay and organics to allow the bacteria to clean things up.
Anyway, new septic is always an expensive proposition these days. No doubt those realtors do some homework on future transactions.
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Quote: Originally posted by ErbyI don't do septic systems. Don't want to. Won't. If there's supposed to be a septic system the client get's the below verbally and in the report. ======================= The house is reported to have a septic system. I don't know. Septic systems are excluded from the visual home inspection as I don't possess the necessary equipment (pump truck) to properly empty the tank and inspect it. I recommend that you have the septic system fully inspected by a qualified septic system technician, to include emptying the tank. For more information on septic systems on the internet see: http://cfpub.epa.gov/owm/septic/home.cfmI also recommend that you consult with the county health department to see what information they have on the septic system, as the health department regulates and oversees local septic systems. ======================== Yesterday a buyer's agent called asking if I knew any septic system installers in the local area. I do. Gave her the name and asked why. She said something along the lines of "Remember that property you inspected back in November for X & Y. I missed one little block on the seller's four page disclosure that said there wasn't a septic system. Today the buyer found the straight pipe. There was no septic system. I'll be turning this in to my E&O provider." I looked at the listing detail from the local realtor association. (I keep a copy.) The listing agent had clearly stated that the sewer was a septic system. Guess he'll be turning it in to his E & O provider also. Talked with the buyer. He said the his agent had told him that because it seemed the septic system was working fine, he didn't really need to spend the $300.00 to follow my advice to get the septic system inspected. Lot's of blame to go around for this one. Glad to say: I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ADVICE GIVEN BUT NOT FOLLOWED (who said that?) =
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The house is reported to have a septic system. I don't know. Septic systems are excluded from the visual home inspection as I don't possess the necessary equipment (pump truck) to properly empty the tank and inspect it. Prior to closing, I recommend that you have the septic system fully inspected by a qualified septic system technician, to include emptying the tank. .....
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We don't inspect them. I don't call anything I can't see a septic system, because that implies that there is a system that uses an approved, recognized technology for on-site sewage treatment and disposal. It's great to learn from other's mistakes.
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A new septic around here is $5-7K. I don't know what the cleanup costs are going to be, but if the RE's just fess up and split the cost they'll both still have money left out of their commissions. Poor bastards.
The only septic system I ever commented on had about 30SF of effluent and toilet paper on the lawn around the D box vent. Pretty safe to say that one was broken.
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[#14] Posted: 02/09/2012 - 05:48:05 AM | | |
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Long ago I knew a fellow who built his own "system" using a cpl of steel drums for the tank. For the leach field he had a guy who'd rented a ditch witch for another job come by and dig him a pattern of ditch, into which he laid black plastic perforated pipe. He built his house from all sawmill lumber from a local sawmill whose owner had a front yard that was packed cheek and jowl and bumper to bumper with about twenty five Chevy II's. Those were the days when you were lucky to get a mortgage at 11 to 12 percent.
Had a girlfriend long ago whose rented farm house had a straightpipe "system" emptying into an old erosion ditch. After the collapse of King Cotton a lot of the land around here just washed away, and it is evident on most of the now wooded slopes.
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I know of an entire subdivision on the Missouri river where they just installed a pipe that exits into the river. No need for a leach field. I do believe a few of the properties are still this way today.
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