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No permits for house built in 1985

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[#1] Posted: 11/06/2011 - 08:42:58 AM
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I was at a house way our in East Duvall on Friday. Dirt and gravel roads for five miles and some areas you couldn't tell if you were on a road or not. The rambler was built in 1985 per the listing and has sold a couple times. Bank owned now. It is built on a post-and pier foundation with no poured perimeter foundation wall. Also, inadequate clearance exists in the crawl space, no insulation, no vapor barrier and no exterior skirting. My bet is the house was built with no permits or inspections. My client is hell bent on buying the house. What kind of risk does he face if it was built without permits?



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[#2] Posted: 11/06/2011 - 08:51:23 AM
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The county could walk up to the house and slap an eviction notice on the door one day.
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[#3] Posted: 11/06/2011 - 11:09:07 AM
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My first house was a cabin built without permits, no power or telephone, back in 1981. We jacked it up and fixed up the piers under it, put in an electrical panel and got an electrician to install a meter can. Planted a cedar pole out by the road and got a telephone line in. Put in a septic system and dug a well. Sold that place and bought a better piece. That place is still sitting there and several new owners have enjoyed it.

If the basic house is built reasonably well, it might be possible to have it inspected by the local authority. I don't know if that is ever done down your way. What they do here sometimes is label the place 'non-conforming', but they still tax the house as an improvement. You might want to check tax records.

What Jim says, eviction is possible. But the more remote the property, the more remote the chances of friction, too.

Another place we had, I jacked the house up and poured a foundation all around it. But that was then and this is now.

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[#4] Posted: 11/06/2011 - 3:57:31 PM
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I'd call the local muni and be frank and honest in my statements. They'll tell you what to do.

Like John said, they might not even care. Maybe, but probably only because now they now know it's there and they can't ignore it.


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[#5] Posted: 11/06/2011 - 7:36:44 PM
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Hi Brad,

I could be wrong - often am - but it seems to me that a municipality imposing rules now where there were none before is crossing the line.

I see stuff all over Seattle, King and Snohomish counties that was built way back when and is totally whacked. The munies have the right to enforce anything related to health and safety, and they can declare a property a nuisance, have it demolished and bill the owners for it's disposal, but I don't think any of them is concerned about trying to impose regs not in effect at the time of original construction.

If it is in an area that was formerly unincorporated, it would have had to comply, at the time it was built, with state building codes in effect at the time of construction and the state refers to the UBC, UPC, UMC, etc. as the defactor standard. Once the area is incorporated, whichever municipality it is in has the power to enforce the standard in force at the time it was built.

The problem is someone needs to research the building codes and figure out what was in force at the time. Since most state rules refer to 1989 and later, that might be difficult.

Check out RCWs 19, 27, and 35

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[#6] Posted: 11/07/2011 - 05:57:36 AM
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Phone call to AHJ would help, but likely they do not care. The bank was the fool who loaned money on it. Advise the client to lower his offer way down.
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