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Opinion and Order from the United States District Court, Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division in the matter of NAHI (Plaintiff) vs. InterNACHI (Defendant):
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(1) GRANTS Plaintiffs motion for an Order of Dismissal in this case incorporating the terms of the settlement agreement;
(2) GRANTS Plaintiffs motion for specific enforcement of the settlement agreement;
(3) GRANTS Plaintiffs motion for reasonable attorney fees and costs; and
(4) ORDERS that if Defendant does not replace the instances of "NACHI" with "INTERNACHI" by November 20,2007, the Court ORDERS that Defendant shut down and remove fiom the internet the NACHI.org and INTERNACHI.org websites until such time that Defendant can comply with its obligation under the settlement agreement to replace the instances of "NACHI" with "INTERNACHI."
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Upon discovering possible violations of the settlement agreement, Plaintiffs counsel sent a message to Defendant's counsel and local counsel. Plaintiffs counsel informed Gromicko that Plaintiff would be filing the instant motion if Gromicko did not comply with the terms of the settlement agreement.
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In an email dated July 23,2007, Gromicko responded:
P.S. [Plaintiffs counsel], I am an honest man and am doing what I agreed to. We've already done much. We'll have the announcement for of the master InterNACHI plan including an announcement to members that they may want to prepare for the change to INTERnachi up on our site by this coming weekend. I'd say that is lightning speed. As for the rest of your other requests which we never agreed to . . . . go F*** yourself. I know. I'm offensive and immature.
Read the entire order here:
Order-granting-motion-to-enforce-settlement-agreement.pdf
Read the motion filed by NAHI here:
NAHI-Motion-Filed.pdf
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A full read of the court document is funny - in the sense of penile pumps, etc. - but tragic in the sense that it exposes the sort of foul character that can become so incredibly wealthy in this country.
Who knowingly follows charismatic trash like that? (Yes, rhetorical.)
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Delightful news.
Living in Chicago, con men abound. Funny thing, they always fall apart right about the time when it looks like they're winning and unstoppable.
(Kind of like Barry Bonds?)
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Read the transcript with an open mind. Consider what's there and then let the facts mold your opinions.
It isn't about being on one side or another; it's about our profession suffering at the whims of profiteers.
Frankly, it makes me mad.
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This reminds me of the great Google slapped story.
I have 500 links from NACHI aimed at me right now.
Bob,
With that kind of exposure, you must be inundated in high-dollar home inspections. How did you ever find the time to read the motion; the judge's order; and Nick's spin on it; paying enough attention to all to craft an informed opinion? You've impressed me, because a lot of fellas would have just read Nick's piece and started parrotting back his lines.
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Oh for Gods sake, Bob; read the court transcript. This isn't about one or the other professional societie's being better or worse than any other; they all suck. Or blow. Sometimes both.
You're sounding drone-like w/the recitations of the organizations feel good proslytizing.
Do a little homework. Read something other than the propaganda all the societies put out about themselves.
The guy broke the law. Repeatedly. Then, he thumbed his nose @ those he transgressed. And now, you're applauding his actions, and standing up for a guy a District Court said was wrong. A reasonable interpretation of your position would paint you as disdainful of our court system, and dismissive of order in our affairs.
Does it get any stupider than this?
Probably.
And, for the record, the moderator chosen by TIJ for the ASHI speakeasy never posts there either. Well, I take that back; I posted a couple times to crack a few jokes about the recent ASHI elections.........
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Hi Bob,
It continually amazes me how you come to TIJ and accuse folks here of being part of some kind of conspiracy for doing nothing more than telling the truth. Why do you feel so inadequate and why do you perceive anything said about interNACHI that you don't like as being part of some kind of nefarious plot?
You say that the article that Gromicko wrote in the link above is the other side, but it has nothing to do with the case that Chad has posted. The article that you've linked involves interNACHI and PHIC and some members of other associations and has absolutely nothing to do with interNACHI's attempt to infringe upon NAHI's trademark, NAHI's suit against interNACHI for that attempt, Gromicko's agreement to settle the lawsuit, his subsequent attempt to squirrel out of what he'd agreed to by skirting the very terms that he'd agreed to, the vulgar inuendos about Ms. Anderson that he'd posted and encouraged on the internet, the subsequent lawsuit for that, or the fact that the judge found for the plaintiff in 3 of the 4 counts included in the motion. What makes you think they are the same?
Come on, get real, it's out there, it's a public court document; what's there that isn't true? Please elaborate.
When NAHI filed their lawsuit in July, folks over there on the interNACHI board couldn't say enough negative things about NAHI or Ms. Anderson. The amount of vulgar inuendo was as bad as anything you'd hear in a prison shower. Yet, today, when this factual document comes to light, nobody over there is saying anything about the man behind the curtain who you all hired to represent your companies who a judge has found to be at fault.
You'd at least expect that since it's now an official court decision that Gromicko would be honest with you and his other clients instead of continuing to lie about it. Have you seen post #15 in the "Nachi inspectors are stupid" thread you started on the interNACHI board, where he responded to Dan Harris today and blatantly lied, stating that interNACHI has never responded to the NAHI motions made in September?
His exact words were, "We presented no defense to it at all. We didn't even respond to the motion they filed." Really? If they didn't respond to it, why is Gromicko's affadavit and the Defendent brief 2 constantly referenced by the judge in his decision?
By lying, he continues to try to deceive those not affiliated with interNACHI but most of all he's lying to his own clients - to you. Don't you see that for what it is? How could you not, and why do you and his other clients continue to put up with it?
The one question that I have, is will he actually do what the court has ordered or will he, like he did in Pennsylvania, ignore the court's decision and refuse to pay what he's been ordered to pay. One has to wonder whether the plaintiffs in this latest case will ever see a dime of the court and legal costs he's been ordered to pay.
Are you an honorable man, Bob? You seem to be, yet you constantly defend a man who has repeatedly acted dishonorable. Are you an honest man, Bob? From what you've said during your visits here, you sound like you are, yet you defend someone who the state of Pennsylvania ruled had cheated his clients, and then, when he was caught and fined for it, failed to pay his debt to society. Do you believe in telling the truth? Apparently not, because you defend someone who, even today, lied to his own clients on his message board.
You come here, you rail at the other guests, yet they give you the benefit of the doubt and consistently treat you with respect and welcome your input here. Odd that, isn't it?
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I am not now an ASHI Conspirator, nor have I ever been a member of the ASHI Conspiracy. I have been an ASHI member for more years than most of you have been in business! I have also been a member of many other organizations.
I work very hard at a national level to benefit all inspectors.
I know Nick Gromiko.
I know Frank Lesh.
I know Ms Anderson.
Two out of the three are great folks and dedicated to this business.
PS: it ain't the first listed.
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I like you too. My initial post starts with, "A full read of the court document..." and my words were a reaction to that.
The data points just keep on coming but some, including you, refuse to see the line they make.
I belong to no HI organization. Back in my ASHI days, several members thought I was an ASHI basher. They refused to see that I just cared enough to want them expand their collective minds. That wasn't possible, unfortunately, so I left after exhausting my efforts.
I was once slammed by by an HI icon because I dared say there are many excellent NACHI inspectors. I stand by that, but I certainly do not respect the selfish, charismatic, dishonest, egomaniacal comedy that is their sole board member and sole leader.
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I guess I can chime in as well..
I have also heard Nick say that bad press is like good press for his organization it keeps them in the news.
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Lately, when I see HIs getting all hot and wound up when they're faced with hard truth, I recall the Ben Franklin quote: "The sting of any rebuke is in the truth."
Funny thing: I've never seen a seriously errant HI admit to any wrongdoing. No matter how egregious his error, an errant HI will find fault with the clients, the agents, the legislators, the lawyers, the judges, the expert witnesses and the beasts of the fields. But he'll never admit to a screwup. It's always somebody else's fault.
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True.
The court document is yet another piece of the hard-truth pie.
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Good post, Chad.
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Chad,
I'm echoing Richard's comment: "Good Post".
Information and education is what we as professional HI's are all about.
It is good to gain that basic fundamental education.
Again ... Kudo's Chad !!!
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When NAHI filed their lawsuit in July, folks over there on the interNACHI board couldn't say enough negative things about NAHI or Ms. Anderson. The amount of vulgar inuendo was as bad as anything you'd hear in a prison shower. Yet, today, when this factual document comes to light, nobody over there is saying anything about the man behind the curtain who you all hired to represent your companies who a judge has found to be at fault.
Come on Mike, not everyone over there on the InterNachi board went along with Nick and Bushart's spin about either their Great Victory over NAHI, Nick's interpretation of the settlement, or the bashing, "penile Implant" humor by Nick's flock. Some of us stood up to them, not just me but several others, I was the only one though to get "kicked out" for voicing my opinions and for finally getting fed up enough to take their "humorous" posts to another Message Board.
There are still a lot of good guys over there, but most have learned not to rock the boat.
I am guilty of finding this very, very funny though, and of saying "I Told You So" to people like Bob.
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For those of you that said "good post Chad".... I wouldn't be able to sleep if I didn't fess up and say that the contents of the post were sort of forwarded to me. I delivered the post. I fact checked the contents.
t went on to state that just because the order wasn't memorialized it did not mean that it wasn't issued and that it was still enforceable.
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It went on to state that just because the order wasn't memorialized it did not mean that it wasn't issued and that it was still enforceable.
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That happens a fair amount when folks are looking to wiggle out, prolong the proceeding to avoid the inevitable, or otherwise thumb their nose @ the court.
Kinda like when the deadbeat dad skips out; there's no formal signed agreement because daddie's a weasel w/no respect, ethics, or morality.
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The way that the interNACHI leader is spinning it over there on the interNACHI board, the interNACHI members are being lied to again.
I. BACKGROUND
The background facts of the instant case are recounted in a previous Order by this Court, and incorporated by reference here. See Nut '1 Ass 'n of Home Inspectors v. Nut '1 Ass 'n of Certified Home Inspectors, No. 06-1 1957,2006 WL 3 104574 (E.D. Mich. Oct. 3 1,2006) (unpublished) (Doc. No. 22).
On July 10,2007, the parties agreed to settle the instant case. On that date, the settlement terms were orally put on a record in Bingham Farms, Michigan. (Def. Br. Ex. 1, July 10,2007 Settlement Transcript). Although the settlement was placed on a record, the parties did not produce a formal signed written agreement. The instant case has not yet been dismissed either by the parties' voluntary agreement or by the Court.
One has to read the entire document and it's the judge's findings that one needs to pay attention to. If one scrolls to the end of that section, one sees:
This Opinion will respond to the following issues: (1) whether the parties reached a valid settlement agreement; (2) what are the terms of the settlement agreement; (3) whether Defendant has violated those terms in its post-settlement acts or failures to act; (4) whether the Court should enter an order incorporating the terms of the settlement; and (5) whether Plaintiff is entitled to attorney fees and costs in connection with bringing its July 26, 2007 motion.
Now, scroll down to the middle of page 12:
The Court visited both of Defendant's websites on November 9, 2007, and found that neither site reveals any noticeable effort in changing the occurrences of "NACHI" to "INTERNACHI." For." For example, the websites continue to utilize the NACHI name in almost all aspects of its website, including, but not limited to: (1) the front page; (2) "What's New"; (3) "Upcoming Events"; (4) "Membership Application"; (5) "Code of Ethics"; and (6) "Message Board."
Although the settlement agreement does not provide a specific deadline for completing the name changeover, it has now been four months since the July 10,2007 settlement - and it appears that Defendant has made little to no effort to comply with its settlement obligation on this point.
The Court does not accept the argument that, apart from the change in the logo from NACHI to INTERNACHI, changing the word "NACHI" to "INTERNACHI" on its website would require any herculean effort and that the change could not be commenced immediately; four months have already transpired since the settlement agreement. Defendant's website is under its exclusive control. Therefore, the Court finds that Defendant is in breach of this term of the settlement agreement.
That's the first finding. Now, on to the next. Go to the top of page 16:
The Court finds that Gromicko's comments cited above constitute "disparaging" remarks under the settlement agreement.
While it appears that Defendant has edited or removed Gromicko's comments that were cited above, Defendant only did so in response to Plaintiffs bringing its July 2007 motion. Plaintiff had notified Defendant by e-mail prior to filing its July 10,2007 motion about Gromicko's message board comments directed towards Anderson. In response, Plaintiff received an inappropriate and vulgar e-mail response from Gromicko.
The Court finds that Gromicko's message board comments referencing Anderson clearly violated the terms of the settlement agreement. Pursuant to the settlement agreement, Plaintiff notified Defendant about the remarks prior to filing its July 2007 motion. Defendant did not edit the disparaging comments until after Plaintiff filed its motion and after the Court held a motion hearing.
Therefore, the Court holds that Defendant violated the settlement agreement by not removing the offending content upon the request of Plaintiff.
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The Court holds, based on the evidence in the record, that Defendant acted in "bad faith" or in a manner "tantamount to bad faith" in violating certain terms of the settlement agreement.
The issues involved in Plaintiffs July 2007 motion included: (1) Defendant's initial superficial logo change; (2) Defendant's failure to begin the process of changing the "NACHI" name to "INTERNACHI" on its website; and (3) Defendant's failure to remove the disparaging remarks brought to its attention by Plaintiff.
First, it is clear that Defendant's first logo change violated the parties' agreement. The only change to NACHI's logo was to add the word "Inter" in tiny vertical lettering to Defendant's existing logo - evidencing an intent by Defendant to skirt its obligations to fashion a logo that clearly read "INTERNACHI." This did not comply with the settlement agreement.
Now go to page 19:
Second, although Defendant created an additional website, INTERNACHI.org, neither website has demonstrated any reasonable effort on Defendant's part to "begin the process" of replacing the instances of "NACHI" from its website. In the four months since the settlement agreement, Defendant appears to have taken, at best, token action and not meaningful action, to replace the "NACHI" name with "INTERNACHI" on its websites.
Finally, as noted above, Defendant also did not remove the disparaging comments from its website when Plaintiff brought them to Defendant's attention in July 2007.
Accordingly, the Court awards Plaintiff reasonable attorney fees and costs in connection with bringing the July 2007 motion, including Plaintiffs counsel's briefing and the appearance at the September 5,2007 motion hearing.
Then the judge made official the July agreement that Gromicko tried to welch on and retained jurisdiction over it, in case he tries to welch on it again, by ordering the following on page 19:
D. Entry of Order of Dismissal
The Court will enter a separate Order of Dismissal incorporating the terms of the parties' settlement agreement. The Court will further insert a provision retaining jurisdiction over that settlement agreement.
Then the judge summarized on the bottom of page 19:
III. CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, the Court hereby:
(1) GRANTS Plaintiffs motion for an Order of Dismissal in this case incorporating the terms of the settlement agreement;
(2) GRANTS Plaintiffs motion for specific enforcement of the settlement agreement;
(3) GRANTS Plaintiffs motion for reasonable attorney fees and costs; and
(4) ORDERS that if Defendant does not replace the instances of "NACHI" with "INTERNACHI" by November 20,2007, the Court ORDERS that Defendant shut down and remove from the internet the NACHI.org and INTERNACHI.org websites until such time that Defendant can comply with its obligation under the settlement agreement to replace the instances of "NACHI" with "INTERNACHI."
SO ORDERED.
PAUL D. BORMAN
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
DATED: 11/ 13 /07
Detroit, MI
It can't be spun. The judge has now made what they agreed to in court on July 10th official and ordered Gromicko to comply. The only thing that Gromicko won is a ruling that NAHI hasn't provided sufficient proof that interNACHI is spamming NAHI's members. NAHI won on all other counts and has been ordered to comply.
Gromicko should do the decent and honorable thing and stop trying to spin this.
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Mike, Supposedly Nick can't post in the members only forums of his message board, maybe his method of "spinning" this decision will be to ignore it or acted surprised when he is confronted with it. I'm wondering how he's going to tell his members about how they have to change their logos on their marketing materials, and yet still come out the hero.
Nick claimed he spent 100's of thousands of $$$$ in legal fees just getting the original compromise settlement with NAHI. It must be nice to have so much money that you can just throw away or ignore what you paid lawyers to accomplish, of course if his attorneys allowed him to post all the crap he did after the "compromise" without warning him of the consequences, they weren't very competent in the first place. Now he get to pay both sides legal costs. Seeing as this all involves his "Association" and not him directly, does all the money come out of the membership fees he collects?
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Seeing as this all involves his "Association" and not him directly, does all the money come out of the membership fees he collects? Well, that's an interesting question because it's a public relations firm - not a true association. I have an email from him that confirms that.
I'm not a lawyer or an accountant, so I don't really know how that's going to work. I guess that the fees that he charges his clients and euphemistically calls 'membership dues' are going to go to paying the court costs, just like any other privately held firm.
I know that it probably doesn't seem right to anyone that thinks that they're actually a member of a true "association" that his failure should be paid for by them, but there's nothing they can do about it. They don't own the entity, unlike the members of NAHI, AII, ASHI, and CREIA, who do own those entities. He owns it and they only pay to play and expect him to promote their companies in exchange for that. They don't control the purse strings, and they have no right to prevent him from using their monies to pay for his own folly. The only real "control" they have is to do what anyone else whose paying for a service and isn't happy with the results can do - walk away - It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
Then again, maybe they're perfectly happy to put up with his antics and a somewhat sullied reputation, in exchange for all of the gee whiz stuff that he throws at them. Maybe they're mostly all happy with his arranging cozy arrangements with all sorts of home inspection parasites and reel-tours, in order to get them more business. If that's their collective decision, they should all stop whining like Rodney Dangerfield about how they don't get any respect from other associations or independents.
A true non-profit "association" can discipline or fire its executive director, can prevent him/her from accessing funds, and can exert a lot of control over the ED's conduct. I asked Mr. Gromicko to his face when he was up here for a meeting a couple of years ago whether he'd ever consider surrendering control of the then-NACHI purse strings and turning control of the entity over to a real board of directors. His response was that they have no right to a board of directors and aren't entitled to control the funds. Then he launched into a tangent about how they didn't need access to funds anyway, because NACHI is like an upside down pyramid with him at the bottom. He says that all they have to do is ask and he pays for it, whatever it is, on their behalf. Gosh, what a benevolent father he is. A minute after that, when I asked him about providing access to NACHI's financial records to prove to me that monies taken in really do go to the "members" and not to him, he launched into another tangent about how he didn't make any money off of NACHI, and how he didn't need money because he was independently wealthy. Then he pulled a $1000 bill out of his wallet to prove it. Whoopie, very dignified way to show your class, Sir!
I noticed on the interNACHI board where he is now finally forming a BOD, but I seriously doubt that it will be anything but a group of figureheads with no real power.
All of those membership dues paid to him over the past 8 to 10 years have probably made him very comfortably financially. You see, a non-profit can pay it's officers as much as it wants, as long as the books don't show a profit at the end of the year. Guess who's in charge of deciding how much of the 'take' goes to anyone on the payroll. Here's a clue - it sure isn't a board of directors.
NAHI's win on this will sting him a little, because he'll have to pay his own legal fees in addition to NAHI's costs, but in the long run I doubt that it will put much of a dent in his cushion. It will hurt his clients' collective reputation more than it hurts him, but unless they start leaving him and seek another PR firm, or figure out how to promote themselves without his company, it's not likely to change very much. Since two days after the decision his toadies were still heaping scorn on Ms. Anderson on the public portion of their board, without his even chiding them about it, I'd bet that before too long they'll be at it again.
It's too bad. There's a lot of honorable, competent, well-meaning folks over there who must feel trapped by circumstances. Unfortunately, they're overshadowed by his antics, and, whenever they try to voice an opinion that conflicts with where he or that clique of zealots that worships him wants to go, they are shouted down.
I remember an old saying - "You pays you money and you takes you chances."
ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!!
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Where's the love? Too much has gotten personal on this thread, fellas. No convincing argument, no insult, and no I'll-show-you, is going to change make any of us stubborn jackasses change today, if we haven't already.
I hope you all have a great weekend, looking forward to the year's best holiday. It's not about presents, candy, drinking, etc. I hope every person here has the opportunity to spend Thanksgiving with their most important people.
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I have not found a forum anywhere that is better moderated than TIJ.
It becomes frustrating when clear facts are denied. The manner in which the sole leader of a large marketing business conducted himself - clearly spelled out in a court document - is despicable. Constantly skating the edges of legality and honesty in order to gain wealth is a very effective and all-too-common practice these days. If someone believes this was simply a "shallow victory" and cannot see the bigger picture, well, alrighty then.
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Gary, you're right. If someone doesn't see what you do, so be it.
There's been a lot of solid information in this thread, but it's buried beneath attacks and insults. Chad started this with something legit, that affects the entire industry. From there, say your piece. Don't expect everyone else to fall in line; and don't be a crab-ass.
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