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[#3] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 4:15:09 PM |  |  |
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"When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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[#4] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 4:26:55 PM | | |
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Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
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[#5] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 5:52:38 PM | | |
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"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
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[#6] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 6:14:23 PM | | |
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[#7] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 6:36:02 PM | | |
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Noted. Sorry, Mike.
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[#8] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 7:16:55 PM | | |
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Hmmm... rather talk about God than GUNS any day!
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Hehehehe...... silly Canadian.
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[#10] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 7:24:12 PM | | |
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Well I'm proud to say that I still live in a area where they say a prayer before a high school football team. Then after it is said, they bash the hell out of each other!
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[#11] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 7:27:55 PM | | |
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Ya... Lighten up O'Handley you are starting to grow horns!
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[#13] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 7:41:13 PM | | |
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I'm not a Christian. I'm a Carpenter...........
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[#15] Posted: 04/14/2008 - 7:45:10 PM | | |
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Good masonry is good science is good life practice.
There's something to be learned by building things a brick at a time.
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[#18] Posted: 04/15/2008 - 05:06:34 AM | | |
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Funny how "certain" topics can be inflammatory or just can't be talked about.
For what its worth I don't think religion (in any form) has any place in public schools. If yo want religion in school go to a private school where it can be taught.
My kids go to public schools.
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[#19] Posted: 04/15/2008 - 06:10:37 AM | | |
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True! It's always been, "Don't talk about religion and politics." They are irrational topics that feed on people's emotions. And it's no wonder they are gelling into one big mess these days. (I'm not gellin') I'm currently halfway through a book titled, "Lord, Save Us from Your Followers."
I think Mike O is right in not allowing irrational topics to be discussed here, which is why I concentrate entirely on the science. If steroids were interfering with science, I might have titled the thread, "Clemens-time."
If this were 1897, I'm sure I would be somewhere standing up against Indiana politicians - fighting THIS.
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[#20] Posted: 04/15/2008 - 07:44:27 AM | | |
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And regarding Einstein,
Isaacson’s biography of Albert Einstein is very good. Einstein clearly rejected the Biblical God. He was also a man who wanted nothing more than peace and kindness for the world. The atom bomb, and its picturesque mushroom, managed to blur that fact a bit.
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. A.E.
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[#21] Posted: 04/15/2008 - 5:34:08 PM | | |
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In the article they mention the material being tested on as theory.
Theory is not fact.
They say a student would be able to insert religious belief in place of theory and not have it marked against them.
Beliefs of any kind are not necessarily facts either.
So who is the public school to support a certain non-factual idea and suppress another?
Schools should be teaching children how to think, not what to to think.
There is way too much doctrine based on political agenda being crammed into the little minds of mush. This needs to be challenged.
It's not stupid. The legislation is worth a try.
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[#22] Posted: 04/15/2008 - 6:02:41 PM | | |
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Originally posted by AHI
In the article they mention the material being tested on as theory.
Theory is not fact.
It gets a lot more complicated than that. We laymen normally take a theory to be an idea that has no proof behind it (at least yet). The word "theory" as used in science means a particular body of ideas, rules, etc. regarding a specific subject. A great deal of science is called "theory", but is hard fact in practice; the parts that have been empirically proven. Gravity is a theory. These theories are subject to correction, minor or great, and expansion as science builds knowledge. So while they aren't always treated as quite "carved in stone", they can accurately describe reality just the same.
The example mentioned in the article was the age of the earth. The sum of all relevent sciences on the subject has it at something like 4 1/2 billion years. The most popular religion in this country puts it about 6,000 years. Helluva gap in theories. Science may eventually find they're off some one way or the other, but not that much.
These really are bad topics for a peaceful board.
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I'm neither hear nor there on the matter, seriously. Personally, me myself and I, do not feel comfortable with my own ideas until I give the opposing views consideration. Only then can I give real meaning to what I believe.
There is a great deal I do not know, and probably never will. I think that discussing differences in a respectful way is a good exercise. It teaches people how to think. Ignoring things is simply that, ignorant.
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[#25] Posted: 04/15/2008 - 8:17:04 PM | | |
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I hear you John, the problem is that most people are either here or there. Many are interested in persuading; few are interested in being persuaded.
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[The topic is the ignorant proposal of a stupid law - nothing else.]
Very good points, all. WRT this being a bad topic for a "peaceful" board, I disagree. "Peaceful" conversation is rational, and so long as the participants are rational...
While it is reasonable discussion for a "peaceful" board, it is not sustainable. I know that. It is not sustainable because just one irrational reply will break it. But that makes this thread no different from threads that have imploded because true believers of one HI organization or another refuse to stop selling their Kool-Aid.
Science is part of the foundation on which home inspection is built - so it is important to understand what science is. It is dangerous, for example, to say that a scientific theory is the same thing as a hunch. It is not.
Quote: The sum of all relevent sciences on the subject has it at something like 4 1/2 billion years. The most popular religion in this country puts it about 6,000 years. Helluva gap in theories.
That is NOT a gap in theories. In science terms, that is a helluva gap between a theory and a hunch. No surprise.
A scientific theory is based on logic or mathematics. It provides a testable model and is based on the natural, not the supernatural. Science does NOT even attempt to prove the absence of the supernatural, and true scientists are not practicing by their own rules if they state unequivocally that there is no supernatural. So science should not offend believers of the supernatural, although it seems to.
Simply: Science has its own rules and language. If someone takes a science course, they should expect to learn its rules in its language. There are plenty of courses on philosophy, sociology, and various cultures. They each have their ways to study, converse and learn. That's the beauty of education. What pisses scientists off is when someone tries to introduce into law something that changes the well-defined rules of its (science) domain. That's just wrong.
[The topic is the ignorant proposal of a stupid law - nothing else.]
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