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[#1] Posted: 06/23/2009 - 11:18:02 PM
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I called this out on a new construction recently and the builder is saying that it's standard practice. Based on what I see regarding the minimum bearing of 1 1/2" on wood, I don't see how this is ok. Both floor joists were notched around seismic restraint bolts, however one did not need to be notched as the bolt was offset from the joist and the other notch left a thin portion of wood to offer support for the floor.

Am I missing something here or is the builder just sidestepping the issue?



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[#2] Posted: 06/24/2009 - 01:03:13 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by CHI2

I called this out on a new construction recently and the builder is saying that it's standard practice. Based on what I see regarding the minimum bearing of 1 1/2" on wood, I don't see how this is ok. Both floor joists were notched around seismic restraint bolts, however one did not need to be notched as the bolt was offset from the joist and the other notch left a thin portion of wood to offer support for the floor.

Am I missing something here or is the builder just sidestepping the issue?


Hack work.

When faced with that problem, you set the joist where you want it to go over the bolt and whack it with a hammer to mark the bolt location. Then use a drill to bore a hole for the bolt.

That said, the silly installation in the photos probably won't ever cause a problem.

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[#3] Posted: 06/24/2009 - 08:24:36 AM
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Hi,

The last one like that I saw there was about a 2-inch ledge between the sill and the inner wal of the foundationl, like it appears you have there. The builder had cut a short section of sill material about a foot long, centered it and driven it in under the joist and then held it in place with one nail up into the joist. I'd thought about it for a second and then decided that it was doing the job, met the bearing surface rule and that I had bigger fish to fry.

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[#4] Posted: 06/24/2009 - 4:02:48 PM
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Shouldn't the wires be stapled to the joists? It looks like they are hanging a bit.
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[#5] Posted: 06/24/2009 - 4:27:40 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by JeremyDP

Shouldn't the wires be stapled to the joists? It looks like they are hanging a bit.


Staples every 4-1/2 feet.

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[#6] Posted: 06/24/2009 - 8:53:23 PM
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Sounds good to me. I would just like to hear the builder say, "Ya, know you're right". Even though the condition may suffice and won't ever cause a problem, it would be nice to have them acknowledge that it's not great rather than pooh-poohing the installation and say "standard practice". I appreciate the input.


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[#7] Posted: 06/24/2009 - 9:06:34 PM
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Hi Rob,

Builders will claim stuff is standard practice most of the time when faced with a list of repairs they don't want to work on. I deal with that frequently (including today).

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[#8] Posted: 06/25/2009 - 12:19:32 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by CHI2

I called this out on a new construction recently and the builder is saying that it's standard practice. Based on what I see regarding the minimum bearing of 1 1/2" on wood, I don't see how this is ok. Both floor joists were notched around seismic restraint bolts, however one did not need to be notched as the bolt was offset from the joist and the other notch left a thin portion of wood to offer support for the floor.

Am I missing something here or is the builder just sidestepping the issue?



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Sorry, I am a little late to the party.
Your are not missing any thing, that is poor workmanship, and at the very least without the 1 1/2" bearing you could have sited missing joist hangers, since without the proper bearing they are hanging off the rim joist
Also is that a bearing wall above the window, if so there should be some type of header to carry the load across the window.
What you may have missed and I cannot tell from the picture, but it appears that there is no seal sealer / termite shield under the sill plate, and here the sill plate would be treated.

have a great day
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