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[#1] Posted: Jun 30 2009 - 4:24:49 PM
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Just when you think you've caught on...

It has been pretty much understood the top and bottom flanges of a TJI cannot be notched.

Well, read this:

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[#2] Posted: Jun 30 2009 - 5:03:24 PM
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Hi Darren,

Well, that does make it more difficult, 'cuz it's only one manufacturer.

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[#3] Posted: Jun 30 2009 - 5:57:08 PM
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I attended training by that manufacturer recently. The speaker was a field rep for the company who went on site to inspect modifications made to their products, often as a result of a home inspection.

She explained that she would take measurements, pictures and relay that information back to inhouse engineers who would design approved repairs. This happened so frequently that they developed a standardized repair process for the more common butchering of the joists. As a result, they decided to publish the information in the above attachment.

The above is only for that manufacturer. This allows the field reps to inspect damaged members and quote an approved repair without having to send each and every damage situation back to be re-engineered.

The goal is not to encourage notching of the joists but to make field assesment of damage easier and be able to design repairs for the most common mistakes quickly.

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[#4] Posted: Jul 01 2009 - 07:37:21 AM
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Weyerhaeuser is a major manufacturer of engineered I-joist. Although this is published by Weyerhaeuser, I would anticipate that other manufacturers would agree with this publication. Only time will tell.

The size of the allowable cuts in the top cord are not that large. Most of the time when I find a cut cord, it is to accommodate a PVC trap for a shower or the lines for a toilet. This type of cut is huge, they call them "plunge" cuts, they are common and they do have a specific repair design.

Regardless of this publication, as a home inspector I would still report any cut cord on an engineered I-joist and let the field rep or whoever else make the call.

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[#5] Posted: Jul 01 2009 - 08:41:15 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Scottpat

Weyerhaeuser is a major manufacturer of engineered I-joist. Although this is published by Weyerhaeuser, I would anticipate that other manufacturers would agree with this publication. Only time will tell.

The size of the allowable cuts in the top cord are not that large. Most of the time when I find a cut cord, it is to accommodate a PVC trap for a shower or the lines for a toilet. This type of cut is huge, they call them "plunge" cuts, they are common and they do have a specific repair design.

Regardless of this publication, as a home inspector I would still report any cut cord on an engineered I-joist and let the field rep or whoever else make the call.
Over the weekend, I did a one-year warranty inspection on a home built by one of the high end companies in this region. The client's inspector at initial purchase had noted a butchered I-joist and recommended an engineer design a repair.

Under the home in the crawlspace where the plumber had hacked into a joist to install the soil pipe for a toilet, I found that for their "engineered" repair they'd cut away the joist and installed engineered lumber headers and hangers. However, less than 4ft. from that spot, I found a second joist that had been hacked into so that a plumbing vent could pass up into a wall. I guess his first inspector had missed that one. The second damaged TJI hadn't been repaired and the door of the half bath almost directly above that area is binding pretty badly at one corner. Can you guess why?

Can we maybe get a law passed where we're allowed to bag our limit of plumbers at least once a year? Maybe if we thin the herd the rest of them will start paying attention to the rules.

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