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[#27] Posted: 06/07/2011 - 10:39:00 AM |  |  |
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Have you talked with the company that did the installation? Did they follow the J-H installation methods?
Have you talked directly with J-H?
In most cases with such cement-board siding it's failure is due to improper installation methods.
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[#30] Posted: 06/29/2011 - 07:11:03 AM | | |
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Quote: Originally posted by gtblumQuote: Originally posted by Nolan Kienitz
Have you talked with the company that did the installation? Did they follow the J-H installation methods?
Have you talked directly with J-H?
In most cases with such cement-board siding it's failure is due to improper installation methods.
Is there really any remote chance of a contractor being able to "properly" install this siding? Given the number of flaming hoops in the manual and having absolutely no control over how it's handled once it's shipped from the factory to the retailer and their yard help, it sure seems like the deck is stacked against them. The do's, don'ts, shall's, shall not's, the number of men required to properly transport it, and all of the rest of the warnings, are enough to convince me to find something else. There's just too much. When a contractor has to baby sit every piece of any product they're installing, they're losing money.
I see it installed correctly quite frequently.
Even when it's not installed correctly, it works just fine under practically any condition.
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[#32] Posted: 06/29/2011 - 07:40:03 AM | | |
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I've never seen a problem with the stuff. I think it's great.
Problems, when uncovered, need solutions, i.e., money. Money doesn't come from contractors; it comes from the insurance underwriters of large corporations.
So, when there's a problem with resulting class action, it may or may not mean something about the material.
It means everything about how one might best obtain money to solve their problem.
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[#33] Posted: 06/29/2011 - 09:45:36 AM | | |
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Quote: Originally posted by Jim KatenQuote: Originally posted by gtblumQuote: Originally posted by Nolan Kienitz
Have you talked with the company that did the installation? Did they follow the J-H installation methods?
Have you talked directly with J-H?
In most cases with such cement-board siding it's failure is due to improper installation methods. Is there really any remote chance of a contractor being able to "properly" install this siding? Given the number of flaming hoops in the manual and having absolutely no control over how it's handled once it's shipped from the factory to the retailer and their yard help, it sure seems like the deck is stacked against them. The do's, don'ts, shall's, shall not's, the number of men required to properly transport it, and all of the rest of the warnings, are enough to convince me to find something else. There's just too much. When a contractor has to baby sit every piece of any product they're installing, they're losing money. I see it installed correctly quite frequently. Even when it's not installed correctly, it works just fine under practically any condition.
A couple of years ago, I began attaching a copy of the most current set of JH instructions along with a copy of the best practices manual to every report where I found errors. I encouraged homeowners to share those documents with the site supers so that site supers could point out to their subs that they obviously weren't working off the most current set of instructions. Many of them did just that and every once in a while I'll get a call from a site super or a siding sub that wants to bemoan the fact that JH keeps changing their instructions. I simply point out to them that if it's possible for me to keep current on the instructions for the product, I'm sure they can too.
I think it's either been working or these large builders have been changing their subs; because most of them seem to be coming around and more and more new homes are either perfect installs or damned near perfect installs. Now, if we could just get word to the remodeling market.
It's a good product and it performs very well in Washington's very damp climate when the installer pays attention to most of the traditional rules for installing flashings, grade clearance, concrete-to-siding contact and weather during installation. On the other hand, it is necessary to pay attention to some of the rules for the product lest the job go to hell and I have seen it installed very poorly time and again - usually by someone who's only defense is, "I don't need to read no friggin' instructions for how to install this siding; I've been installing siding for 30 years. Nobody can tell me anything I don't already know."
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[#34] Posted: 10/03/2011 - 09:42:44 AM | | |
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I have been asked to accompany many buyers on home inspections before they purchase. I have built homes in Iowa for over 45 years and never installed Hardiplank. My question and concern is the butt joints that are open and without a siding joint installed. Many homeowners on your forum have ongoing problems with this exact issue. I read one today that said HP and Vulcam had Vulcam 106 as a sealer for the joints. I have used Vulcam for years and there is no way that will look good. Caulking is verty seldom the answer because very few cartpenters can installed it right. In Iowa caulking becomes a yearly maintenance headache. I would caution the buyer on puchasing this home without some expert opionion on installation of Hardiplank in Iowa.
Thank You in advance, Mike
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[#36] Posted: 10/03/2011 - 9:39:35 PM | | |
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As long as it is two factory ends butt together and there is a joint flashing used there should be no problems, however there are plenty of problems elsewhere regarding a lot of installation errors.
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[#37] Posted: 12/13/2011 - 07:19:30 AM | | |
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First of all, take a lot of pictures, some up close to the observed defects. Your Hardie Plank siding system needs to be totally replaced. It never should have been power nailed. When power nailing, an equal amount of force is applied to all nails. Hardie requires all nails to be driven into wood backing such as studs or plates (not just through sheathing). When such backing is missed by a nail, too much force is applied and the nail is over-driven, cracking and/or breaking the plank. I can guarantee that the problem exists in more areas than you have already observed. I am a materials, means and methods expert and consult on many construction claims issues.
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[#39] Posted: 01/09/2012 - 7:35:27 PM | | |
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Every time HP has an issue they change the rules. That should be a red flag. I can't keep up with all the updates on installation changes, that's all I'd be doing. And why should I have to. Some of the of the other cement fiber company's are facing class action lawsuits, including HP, another red flag. Smartlap face nailed and maintained properly will last a lifetime. Quiklap also is agood product you just need to maintain it. Most problems with the latter two are maintnance issues and not installation.
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[#40] Posted: 01/09/2012 - 9:54:22 PM | | |
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Every time HP has an issue they change the rules. That should be a red flag.
Why?
Quote: I can't keep up with all the updates on installation changes, that's all I'd be doing.
That's an absurd statement. There haven't been that many changes.
Quote: And why should I have to. Some of the of the other cement fiber company's are facing class action lawsuits, including HP, another red flag.
Not really. It just what lawyers do.
Quote: Smartlap face nailed and maintained properly will last a lifetime. Quiklap also is agood product you just need to maintain it. Most problems with the latter two are maintnance issues and not installation.
Seriously? Really? I think we must be talking about different products.
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Ive got the same cracking from the nail outwards on just about every piece of Hardie Plank installed on my house, built in 06. To me, it just looks like typical "KB-Homes" shoddy work and those who are "doing the work us lazy americans dont want to do"...
Just because you can do it cheap and fast, doesnt mean you can do it right.
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[#42] Posted: 06/23/2012 - 10:51:23 AM | | |
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If it's face nailed the installer probably doesn't know his job that well anyway. The best installes of HardiPlank that I see are completely blind nailed and everything is laying flat and straight without any additional nails at butt joints to keep the ends in line.
The installer probably nailed your stuff too close to the edge. The same thing happens with wood siding. Nail wood siding too close to the edge and it will split.
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Houston is within an ICC 110 mph wind zone. To reach a spec of 110 mph, it's necessary to nail the seams on the bottom edge of HP planks. That's from the HP manual.
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[#44] Posted: 09/12/2012 - 11:03:27 AM | | |
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Hardie does everything in their power to avoid covering their product under warranty. I've dealt with Hardie reps on a hand full of occasions. I've called them out to job sites to examine their product while its still on the skid. It was a full skid that hadn't been touched or re-stacked. Better than 50% of the panels had paint damage. IE: paint was chipped or rubbed off by the panel next to it with both plastic strips still intact. The rep told me "It's common" and not to worry about it. He said: "I've dealt with homeowners in the past and told them it's an exterior product and it doesn't matter." My response was "It's a PRE-FINISHED exterior product." His response was It's your problem now because it's well within our quality standards. ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? That covers only one of the problems with the prefinished panel.
As for fiber cement in general, there is an underlying problem with EVERY brand on the market that no one has covered here. When you drive a nail through it
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Picture a chip in your windshield. It forms this nice little circle. If you don't fix it, eventually it will turn into a crack. Every time you drive a nail threw a piece of fiber cement siding, the back of the panel turns into something resembling that chip in the windshield. It doesn't mater if the nail is hand driven or done with a nail gun. Screws and fine gauge trim nails do the exact same thing. The only way to avoid it would be to predrill holes and then hand drive nails until the head is just touching the siding. If the head breaks the surface, it's on it's way to delaminateing. It may take a few years but it will do it eventually.
Can it be installed in a way that it will look good for many years? Yes.
Can it be installed in a way that it will EVER live up to its warranty? Not a snowballs chance!!!
Would I ever recommend fiber cement to any homeowner? No
Will I still install it? Yes, because Hardie spends so much money on advertising it can't be avoided.
James Hardie does two things well. Advertise and pass the buck.
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[#45] Posted: 09/12/2012 - 11:16:17 AM | | |
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Hmmm,
So all of the Hardie product out here that was installed in the early 1990's, hasn't had a problem and where the warranty is going to expire soon was garbage?
Who'd a thunk it?
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[#47] Posted: 09/29/2012 - 4:21:07 PM | | |
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Hardie does everything in their power to avoid covering their product under warranty. I've dealt with Hardie reps on a hand full of occasions. I've called them out to job sites to examine their product while its still on the skid. It was a full skid that hadn't been touched or re-stacked. Better than 50% of the panels had paint damage. IE: paint was chipped or rubbed off by the panel next to it with both plastic strips still intact. The rep told me "It's common" and not to worry about it. He said: "I've dealt with homeowners in the past and told them it's an exterior product and it doesn't matter." My response was "It's a PRE-FINISHED exterior product." His response was It's your problem now because it's well within our quality standards. ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? That covers only one of the problems with the prefinished panel.
That's a sad story and, if it's true (forgive me, but I don't know you and you don't provide a name to lend credibility to your story) then it speaks poorly for James Hardie. However, I've had exactly the opposite experience. I've worked on several projects over the last few years that have used the pre-finished product and it's always been delivered in excellent condition. Right now, I'm working on a project of 10 apartment buildings and every unit has been delivered in pristine condition.
Quote: As for fiber cement in general, there is an underlying problem with EVERY brand on the market that no one has covered here. When you drive a nail through it " IT DELAMINATES" Click to View
14.54?KBPicture a chip in your windshield. It forms this nice little circle. If you don't fix it, eventually it will turn into a crack. Every time you drive a nail threw a piece of fiber cement siding, the back of the panel turns into something resembling that chip in the windshield. It doesn't mater if the nail is hand driven or done with a nail gun. Screws and fine gauge trim nails do the exact same thing. The only way to avoid it would be to predrill holes and then hand drive nails until the head is just touching the siding. If the head breaks the surface, it's on it's way to delaminateing. It may take a few years but it will do it eventually.
Those statements simply don't correspond with reality. I've been inspecting the stuff for 20 years. The overwhelming majority of the installations have no visible cracks.
Quote: Can it be installed in a way that it will look good for many years? Yes.
Can it be installed in a way that it will EVER live up to its warranty? Not a snowballs chance!!!
I disagree. And the majority of installations in my area are well on track to live up to the expectations of the warranty.
Quote: Would I ever recommend fiber cement to any homeowner? No
Will I still install it? Yes, because Hardie spends so much money on advertising it can't be avoided.
That says more about you than about Hardie.
Quote: James Hardie does two things well. Advertise and pass the buck.
Your comments are unfounded.
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