randynavarro Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 As in a piece of hardware that makes this connection properly? Click to Enlarge 49.36 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Kubs Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 As in a piece of hardware that makes this connection properly? Click to Enlarge 49.36 KB Randy, if your talking about the connection between the #2? wire & the #10? wire. No. and if there was, it wouldn't be that big. I'm guessing that is the compression connectors that get used to connect a service drop to the SEC at the weatherhead. Like a split bolt only fancier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randynavarro Posted November 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Thanks, Kyle. Yes, I'm referring to the big mess wrapped in black tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Kubs Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Thanks, Kyle. Yes, I'm referring to the big mess wrapped in black tape. Don't thank me yet, Jim or Dan should be along any minute now to make me look stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I'm going to disagree. I think a split bolt (which it looks like) is exactly what you want for that. For example, look at the tech specs for this one... http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/THOMAS ... Pid=search It listed for up to 2/0 max main with a minimum 14 tap. Others are similar, but with differing size mains and taps. In other words, they all (most at least) seem to be listed to mix conductor sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 As in a piece of hardware that makes this connection properly? Well, I was going to say that I didn't know of a split bolt that had such a wide range, but Richard found one. There might also be a Polaris connector that could accommodate such a range. I don't see the tape as a problem. It's a pretty standard way of insulating split bolt connectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randynavarro Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Thank you so far. . .it looks like that T&B connector from Grainger is the same shape as the one in my photo. I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around if this alteration is correct or not. They converted #4 wire which used to power an electric furnace to this small load center to supply two 120v circuits. Here's a pic of the panel box and the label. Click to Enlarge 50.1?KB Click to Enlarge 62.85?KB That #12 jumper on the main lugs is not ok and the feeder should be a 4-wire, so should this box have just supplied one 120v circuit only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I don't see why it cannot feed two 120 V circuits. The jumper might could pass for a tap. It simply cannot be used to feed any 240V loads until the incoming feeder is upgraded. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Kubs Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 See, I told ya, didn't take long... Three questions; 1) What is the panel feeding now? 2) What is that red #4 wire doing (looks like it's just capped)? 3) What is the overcurrent protection on that #4 cable? By the code book, the main lugs don't look like they are listed for two wires (jumper), & if somebody that doesn't know better comes in later and modifies this to try & install a multi-wire circuit, the grounded conductor would be overloaded. Main concern.. the #4 wire is Aluminum, the tap wire is Copper. I have to wonder if the split bolt is listed for different metals at the same time? The one Richard posted is Bronze Alloy, but the specs are kinda sparse. Not making a habit of doing things in such convoluted ways, I'm really not sure either, but it looks justifiable to say, have an electrician take a closer look. Just tell 'em it has a little too much "Redneck chic" for your comfort level. Doesn't look like a clear and present hazard, but I doubt it's up to the full letter of the law either. Electrically, if the overcurrent protection is acceptable for the smaller wire, everything should work as intended. Don't know why they didn't just feed the panel from the #4 cable, the lugs are listed for it, it's a 3 wire w/ground cable. Lazy bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randynavarro Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 See, I told ya, didn't take long... Three questions; 1) What is the panel feeding now? Humidifier, condensate pump, electronic air filter, UV light for the HVAC system. 2) What is that red #4 wire doing (looks like it's just capped)? It's the red wire that quickly becomes wrapped with white tape (not visible in the pic) that is acting as the neutral 3) What is the overcurrent protection on that #4 cable? 30 amp breaker at the main load center. That 30 amp breaker does not allow a #4 conductor so that's wrong from the beginning. By the code book, the main lugs don't look like they are listed for two wires (jumper),The panel label says they're only rated for single conductors & if somebody that doesn't know better comes in later and modifies this to try & install a multi-wire circuit, the grounded conductor would be overloaded. Main concern.. the #4 wire is Aluminum, the tap wire is Copper. I have to wonder if the split bolt is listed for different metals at the same time? Good point-I hadn't thought of that.The one Richard posted is Bronze Alloy, but the specs are kinda sparse. Not making a habit of doing things in such convoluted ways, I'm really not sure either, but it looks justifiable to say, have an electrician take a closer look. Just tell 'em it has a little too much "Redneck chic" for your comfort level. Doesn't look like a clear and present hazard, but I doubt it's up to the full letter of the law either. Electrically, if the overcurrent protection is acceptable for the smaller wire, everything should work as intended.Another good point. It's not. 30 amp at the main panel is too big for the #12. Don't know why they didn't just feed the panel from the #4 cable, the lugs are listed for it, it's a 3 wire w/ground cable.Actually no. The gray feeder is one of the wires originally used for an electric furnace--it's only 2-wire with ground. Lazy bastards. Thanks, Kyle. I've done the report and sent it off. Enjoy the holiday weekend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Port Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 That certainly looks like a split bolt connection under the tape. Many are dual listed for AL and copper but unless someone is physic you can't tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plummen Posted December 10, 2011 Report Share Posted December 10, 2011 yes thats a split bolt,thats a serious mismatch of materials going on there! [:-sour] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.