mlparham Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I have never seen this type of staining on vinyl siding. The home is a 1997 build, 3/2 on a slab. The side of the house that you are seeing is a west exposure. There is a master bath and master bedroom on the second floor opposite the staining and a dining room and living room under the bedroom. The home was immaculate. I licked the stains and my tongue did not burn and all I tasted was pollen. Does anyone have any idea what may have caused the staining? Click to Enlarge 44.67 KB Click to Enlarge 31.6 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Whitmore Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Ghosting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 I think it is ghosting from bad insulation. The cooler areas of the walls, the studs, are seeing excessive condensation and eventually causing stains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Amaral Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Morgan, you are saying (I hope) that you licked the house when the clients were not looking, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlparham Posted May 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Morgan, you are saying (I hope) that you licked the house when the clients were not looking, right? I like to get to the inspection early so that I can do all my tasting while I'm all alone. Yummy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Ahhh! With regard to the staining...Dew lines from the siding pulled tight where the fasteners are. All things come to those who wait.[] Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lagueux Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Ahhh! With regard to the staining...Dew lines from the siding pulled tight where the fasteners are. All things come to those who wait.[] Marc Early morning dew at the furring strips, that was my thought too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 How did you deduce that the house has furring strips? Does it? Do you also assume this ghosting is of no concern to the buyer other than cosmetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lagueux Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 How did you deduce that the house has furring strips? Does it? Do you also assume this ghosting is of no concern to the buyer other than cosmetic? No Mike, I'm not assuming anything for the buyer. That is only the theory that came to mind from what I saw from the picture. But then again, I wasn't there so I could be way wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Did you pull any siding? In my area in 97 the siding would have been installed directly over the OSB. Stephen, Google ghosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Very typical "ghosting" pattern... You are seeing the 2x4 studs and if you look close you cans see the second floor band joist. Those are not furring strip patterns and it does not necessarily mean the insulation is bad or the vinyl was installed wrong or that the home has a problem.... The staining is from dirt/pollution in the air. The wood framing is colder/warmer than the vinyl and this effects how and what is attracted to those areas. We see the same thing with drywall in homes with smokers or folks that burn candles in their home. You also see this with EIFS cladding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 ...and it does not necessarily mean the insulation is bad or the vinyl was installed wrong or that the home has a problem.... The staining is from dirt/pollution in the air. I see this very rarely. Maybe twice or three times ever. There are probably different dynamics down in Georgia. What would be an example of this ghosting showing up if there is good wall insulation? I doubt many homes are built with steel exterior studs. And wouldn't the stud lines be darker if the discoloration is from air filth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 ...and it does not necessarily mean the insulation is bad or the vinyl was installed wrong or that the home has a problem.... The staining is from dirt/pollution in the air. I see this very rarely. Maybe twice or three times ever. There are probably different dynamics down in Georgia. What would be an example of this ghosting showing up if there is good wall insulation? I doubt many homes are built with steel exterior studs. And wouldn't the stud lines be darker if the discoloration is from air filth? It all has to do with thermal dynamics(way outside my knowledge base) and how heat and cold effect the attraction of particulates in the air. The stud bays are insulated but the wood framing is transmitting or conducting the temps at a different rate and this is basically what you're seeing. Might also be missing the WRB on the substrate, very common with pre 2006-07 homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 ...and it does not necessarily mean the insulation is bad or the vinyl was installed wrong or that the home has a problem.... The staining is from dirt/pollution in the air. I see this very rarely. Maybe twice or three times ever. There are probably different dynamics down in Georgia. What would be an example of this ghosting showing up if there is good wall insulation? I doubt many homes are built with steel exterior studs. And wouldn't the stud lines be darker if the discoloration is from air filth? It all has to do with thermal dynamics(way outside my knowledge base) and how heat and cold effect the attraction of particulates in the air. The stud bays are insulated but the wood framing is transmitting or conducting the temps at a different rate and this is basically what you're seeing. Might also be missing the WRB on the substrate, very common with pre 2006-07 homes. Right. Brownian motion. And an uninsulated wall will accentuate the temperature differences and cause the studs to become more of a magnet for condensation. A well insulated wall will not have this dynamic. That's my theory anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 A house I know has those same stains, but on white stucco. Busy road, so soot from tires and diesel fumes condensing on a damp surface is my guess. The studs are warmer so no dampness there, no soot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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