David Meiland Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Excavated a poorly flashed window today with lots of rot, and found these guys holed up. I've never seen them before. ID? Click to Enlarge 144.87 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenT Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Termites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Agreed, Termies. They don't like to come out in the light. They could be Dampwood termites in your area. They find rotting wood, and don't need mud tubes, I don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Meiland Posted May 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thank you, gentlemen. The owner is sure to be pleased. This little surprise was about 12 feet off the ground, so they travelled quite a way to find the wet spot. There was a bit of sandy-looking debris in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 Thank you, gentlemen. The owner is sure to be pleased. This little surprise was about 12 feet off the ground, so they traveled quite a way to find the wet spot. There was a bit of sandy-looking debris in the area. In that case they could very well be Dampwoods that arrived there on the wing. AFAIK, they don't need to go down to the dirt level for moisture. Another scenario is when they are in a log that is milled locally and air-dried a bit or nailed up green. Not likely but possible in larger timber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghentjr Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 They appear to be subterranean termites. Formosan and damp wood termites don't usually thrive in Northern climates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Pacific dampwood termites Area of Distribution: The Pacific dampwood termite is the largest and most significant dampwood termite in the United States. They have been found up to 6,000 feet above sea level, but more commonly in the cool and humid coastal areas. Identification of Swarmers and Soldiers: Swarming may occur throughout the year, but most often from August through October. Swarming usually will occur on warm humid evenings just before sunset. The reproductives are strongly attracted to light. Swarmers are up to 1" in length and are light to medium brown with dark brown wings. Soldiers have a large head armed with long black toothed mandibles. The anterior portion is black generally shading to a dark reddish-brown in the posterior position. The abdomen and thorax are a light caramel color, the abdomen varying according to the stomach contents at the time. The largest termites in the United States, soldiers may be very large, reaching 5/8 to 3/4". Identification of Timber Damage: The tunnels vary greatly in size and shape and in sound timber may favour the softer springwood. Faecal pellets are found throughout the tunnels, and are hard small, oval and about 1/25 ? long. The color of the pellets may vary according to the type of wood being consumed. Biology and Habits: This species will attack wood of all types throughout its range. Timbers in contact with the soil or structures built near or over water are common targets. This species is known to be very tolerant of moist conditions, even being found in pilings subject to tidal flooding. Colony size varies but may contain as many as 4,000 individuals. Colony growth is aided by the production of secondary reproductives. Like other termites this species aid in the spreading of wood decay fungi, the spores of which are carried in the gut and on their bodies. A well established colony will produce winged reproductives which may infest nearby timber. The life history of the Pacific dampwood can be summarized as follows. Both male and female swarmers excavate a chamber, they enter, and the chamber is sealed. They mate and within about 2 weeks, eggs are laid and the colony is founded. The queen lays about 12 eggs. The second batch is laid the next spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghentjr Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 OK. Back to school for me. Good thing I am retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Meiland Posted May 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 It would be interesting to know how these guys found this concealed pocket of wet rot in this house. I suppose an entomologist would know. They would have had to scout several thousand square feet of exterior surface area to find the one small opening that led them to their new home. In 11 years of working this one 50-square-mile area and repairing countless leaks, I've never seen them before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Was there other wood nearby that might have been in contact with the soil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Meiland Posted May 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 Not on the house per se... it's all nicely above grade on a concrete foundation... but there are landscape timbers embedded all over the place. When I told the owner the window was really poorly installed and should be pulled and re-set, he said "there was water coming in there before they even installed drywall"... and that was 20 years ago. My repair is not the first to this exact spot. The termites had 2 decades to find the good stuff. Idle curiosity, but I'm wondering if they smell it or something like that. This would be a difficult area to repair correctly, and it's not in the cards. I was able to improve the flashing at the bottom corners of the lower unit, so maybe it won't leak further, but the correct thing to do would be to scaffold all the way up, strip the wall, pull the units, install pans, and then re-install the windows, siding, and trim. Wild guess, $7500. If this was a typical 3x4 unit it would already be done. Click to Enlarge 101.55 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 You work alone? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted May 11, 2014 Report Share Posted May 11, 2014 It would be interesting to know how these guys found this concealed pocket of wet rot in this house. They send scouts to browse the building permit files for goofy roof designs. [] Seriously, I imagine the wood-destroying fungi give off odors that flying termites can smell. You will sometimes see small clusters of wings beside a hole on the side of a log or a house. They land, shed their wings and move in. I saw this not long ago on a wood deck with no flashing at the ledger board. Ledger board nailed to OSB sheathing. Below the deck, OSB is covered with mats of white fungus. Little wings on the deck. I tell the client, young guy, he will need to strip off some wood and fix this. Realtor rolls his eyes and vows to never refer another job my way. So it goes. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted May 12, 2014 Report Share Posted May 12, 2014 I have seen termites in roof rafters. Once saw them about forty feet above ground in an antebellum building. I think they must have found some composted material in an eave or soffit somewhere to live in instead of real dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Amaral Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 I see em once in a while in attics of slab-on-grade houses around Boston... kind of tough when you tell the folks they have 'termites in the attic.. " (Nother great name for an alternative rock band??) "Termites in the Attic" .. right up there with bats in the belfry...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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