Darren Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I know its a mess- Two questions 1) is a 'pony' breaker considered 1 breaker or 2? 2) is this panel 'overloaded'? Thanks Click to Enlarge 69.7 KB Click to Enlarge 139.75 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 What's a 'Pony' breaker? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmettoinspect Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 What's a 'Pony' breaker? Marc I believe he's referring to a double "wafer" or "tandem" single pole breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Panel is CTL rated and diagram indicates 40 circuits permitted. There's more than 40 circuits installed so that specification is exceeded. Whether the panel is overloaded is a separate question and can be determined only by completing a load analysis on the house. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 What is CTL rated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 What Marc says it is. [:-graduat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 What is CTL rated? Circuit Total Limitation. It limits the number of circuits you can source from a single panel. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie R Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Tandem breakers count as two breakers. The diagram in the photo indicates a maximum of 40 breakers and I'm counting more than 40 breakers in the panel so the panel is in violation of the manufacturer's instruction. "Hire a licensed electrician to - - - " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 The electrical panel has more breakers than the manufacturer intended. If they're there because you've added more rooms or appliances to the house then you should ask an electrician to completed a load analysis to make sure the panel isn't overloaded. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about it. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie R Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Here is a good explanation on inspecting panels with tandem breakers installed - http://www.structuretech1.com/2012/02/t ... -breakers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmettoinspect Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Here is a good explanation on inspecting panels with tandem breakers installed - http://www.structuretech1.com/2012/02/t ... -breakers/ Great read! Although I hate thinking about all those previous panels I've seen before with tandem breakers and wondering if they were allowed. Just ran into this tandem breaker installed that was not seated correctly. I called it out, but looking back I'm glad I did as I'm thinking its was probably altered to fit the panel. Click to Enlarge 49.58 KB Click to Enlarge 72.75 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Lewis Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Just ran into this tandem breaker installed that was not seated correctly. I called it out, but looking back I'm glad I did as I'm thinking its was probably altered to fit the panel. Click to Enlarge 49.58 KB Click to Enlarge 72.75 KB Did you try pushing the tandem breaker in firmly? I always make sure a breaker isn't going to pop out before I take the cover off. Occasionally the cover is keeping the breaker from falling out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmettoinspect Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Just ran into this tandem breaker installed that was not seated correctly. I called it out, but looking back I'm glad I did as I'm thinking its was probably altered to fit the panel. Click to Enlarge 49.58 KB Click to Enlarge 72.75 KB Did you try pushing the tandem breaker in firmly? I always make sure a breaker isn't going to pop out before I take the cover off. Occasionally the cover is keeping the breaker from falling out. Yes, I did. I don't like to touch anything aside form the normal things we have to touch, but in a case like this I will. It wouldn't go back in. I would never pull a breaker out completely to check if it's altered or not though. This was a Square D wafer / tandem breaker in a GE panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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