greyboy39 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Wondering how many light pilots, turn on water mains and gas valves if they are off in a property? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'll light a pilot here and there depending on a few things. I'll never turn on a main water or gas valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I rarely see anything other than 'hot element' or 'electronic spark' ignition here. I won't turn on any utility service because I don't know for certain whether some appliance somewhere is not ready for service. I don't want the liability if something goes wrong. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Wondering how many light pilots, turn on water mains and gas valves if they are off in a property? Gas Fireplaces I light these all the time. No problems so far. Water Main The only way I'll turn on a water main is when I receive the correct answer to a single question, "Who will be responsible for all water damage that occurs as a result of turning on the water?" There is only one correct answer, "Not Jim Katen." Once I receive this response, I'm happy to turn on the water and flood the house. Gas Main If the owner turned it off himself, I'll turn it back on with the same restriction as above. If the gas utility shut it off, there'll be a blank washer across the coupling and I'm not about to mess with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'm with Katen on fireplaces. I always operate bypass valves, ie filter or softener, but never touch the utility valve. Ever. Gas is off for a reason. Tell the RE to go find out what it is. Tell my client to have his RE ask why it's off. After all it was their job to make sure everything was on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I've shown a few realtors how to turn on water and gas mains. I'm fine with them doing it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Well, I don't carry matches or a lighter so unless the device has a built-in igniter it's not going to get lit? With many gas log fireplaces the air needs to be bled from the line and this can take a longtime. If it does not light after a few attempts, I report that the air needs to be bled from the line and to have the owner demonstrate that it works properly prior to closing. I don't light standing pilot's, but then I just don't see them any longer. I require the water to be turned on for me? I use to have a meter key (Long pole of rebar with a "U" at the bottom to turn the water on at the meter) that I kept in my truck but I took it out several years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yes, there are times when I will turn on. Mostly it is dependent upon my mood, blood sugar and the physical attributes of the turner-oner. We never turn the water on, but will accommodate client for fireplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Simon Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 On this forum or another years ago. . . "Light enough pilot lights, and eventually you'll catch on fire." As I recall, from some Texas inspector who lost much of his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Lost most of my eyebrows once. Lightning fast reflexes saved my eyes. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyboy39 Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Thanks for the responses. Many of the foreclosures that I go to have water off, pilots for fireplaces and water heaters off as well. Typically I tell clients, sellers and realtors what I expect to be accessible and what services should be on in order for me to adequately inspect the property. Unfortunately, it's seldom that my requests are appeased. This typically ends up in me returning to the property to reinspect after utilites have been turned on and making addendums to reports after the fact. Do any of you send an email to the sellers or realtors in advance to remind them of what needs to be done to prepare for an inspection. Trying to obsviously avoid these situations all together and really hate limiting the inspections for the sake of my clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'd just make it clear up front what the cost of a return visit is. Folks generally respond to the announcement of a fee schedule. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Same here. I tell them revisits cost extra. I love having realtors turn stuff on. Had a full tilt flood one time. Not my fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlparham Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Same here. I tell them revisits cost extra. I love having realtors turn stuff on. Had a full tilt flood one time. Not my fault. The same thing happened to me. It was awesome. The seller's agent was so mad that he had to turn on the water. "All you have to do is turn the water on at the street" he said. He turned the water on the night before the inspection . I arrived the next morning to find water running down the driveway from the garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Amaral Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I turn on nuttin. If the realtors want to do stuff, I warn them why I don't.. This policy has worked like a charm for over 20 years.. This includes sink risers, toilet shut-offs, valves, gas lines, pilot lights, etc.. There is already way too many legs on this profession and enough landmines involved.. you don't need to be creating landmines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector57 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Thanks for the responses. Many of the foreclosures that I go to have water off, pilots for fireplaces and water heaters off as well. Typically I tell clients, sellers and realtors what I expect to be accessible and what services should be on in order for me to adequately inspect the property. Unfortunately, it's seldom that my requests are appeased. This typically ends up in me returning to the property to reinspect after utilites have been turned on and making addendums to reports after the fact. Do any of you send an email to the sellers or realtors in advance to remind them of what needs to be done to prepare for an inspection. Trying to obsviously avoid these situations all together and really hate limiting the inspections for the sake of my clients. I send out a "preparation for inspection" addendum along with my inspection agreement. Some times it works but mostly they don't read or bother to forward it to the sellers or their agent. But it reduces the crying when I inform them of the additional fee to come back[:-weepn] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Whitmore Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Gas MainIf the owner turned it off himself, I'll turn it back on with the same restriction as above. If the gas utility shut it off, there'll be a blank washer across the coupling and I'm not about to mess with that. Per CFR49xxx, I'd consider turning on the utility riser valve a questionable practice by non utility personnel, though done quite often. Unless considered to be a "qualified operator", one should not turn it on. A couple of the bigger concerns I'd have is as to whether one does a "spot" or "drop" test to check for the detection of gas leaks when turning on the valve, and check for leaks. Quite often, the riser valve will leak as soon as it's turned back on-- it's got a serviceable valve core. We've tried to get away from people turning on our high pressure riser valve, which is why you'll see a ball valve "customer valve" on the gas line just downstream of the utility set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundo Inspector Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Turn on the water and be responsible for the damage caused by broken pipes? That's why the water was off. Turn on the breaker and burn down the house? That's why the breaker was off. Turn on the gas and then discover that the pilot won't ignite and the gas valve won't shut off? The house is filling with gas but the electricity is on. Will a switch spark and ignite the houseful of gas or will you just not turn off the lights and hope for the best (I was there for that one). All these things are not uncommon. The SOPs don't require it, but if you want to accept that liability... you will not impress the agent because you've been suckered into doing something unprofessional and foolish. You will not impress the client if it turns out you made a big mistake. The list of people you won't impress by turning on utilities that are off at the time of the inspection gets longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'll light most any pilot or at least give it a good honest effort (some exceptions may apply). If the gas is off at the meter, but not locked, I'll turn the main on. Around here, on vacant homes, the utility company will remove the lock but leave the valve in the off position. They place a tag on the meter explaining how to turn on the gas and light the pilots. If it is locked it stays locked. People pay me good money and I'm not looking for excuses to not provide a good inspection. I'm with Katen on turning the main water valve on. I'll do it as long as everyone (including the listing agent and / or owner) is aware I'm not responsible for any leaks or damage and they acknowledge this. First I go around and make sure all the faucets, water heater drains, TPRV, etc are closed, then I'll ask whoever else is at the house to help monitor the different areas and yell if there is a gusher. Once I turn on the main I check each bath / kitchen for leaks, but most important is listening to the sound of the water. After the toilets have filled (a minute or so) I should not be hearing the sound of running water. If I do hear running water I figure out (very quickly) what is running and if need be turn the water back off. I've had a few major leaks, but not many, and they were quickly spotted. If the water is on to the house, but off to a sink or toilet I don't touch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Just curious..... How is one relieved of responsibility by a group of people....none of whom have power of attorney or any legal authority for anything other than unlocking a door and showing a house...and who on any and all occasions throughout my entire career have shown themselves to be motivated by self interest alone....how do these people....verbally no less....relieve anyone of responsibility for a disaster in a house? "I'll turn the water on, but only if you say it's your fault and not mine." Yeah...uh huh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Just curious..... How is one relieved of responsibility by a group of people....none of whom have power of attorney or any legal authority for anything other than unlocking a door and showing a house...and who on any and all occasions throughout my entire career have shown themselves to be motivated by self interest alone....how do these people....verbally no less....relieve anyone of responsibility for a disaster in a house? "I'll turn the water on, but only if you say it's your fault and not mine." Yeah...uh huh.... I can't speak for Chicago, but in Oregon the ability to provide that kind of assurance goes along with the responsibilities of agency, at least according to my attorney. I can't speak for places like Chicago, but in Oregon, the ability to negotiate that kind of assurance goes along with the responsibilities of agency. If a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 A verbal understanding between me, the seller, (or the sellers rep) and the buyers, may not stand up in a court, but it is not completely worthless either (IMHO) and it has served me fine up to now. There are some occasions after I explain that there could be a major gusher and I'm not responsible that everyone looks at each for who is responsible and ultimately the water stays off. More important to any verbal understanding is being just being careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 My pre-inspection communication is very clear that all utilities should be up and running. My clients or their agents turn valves on and off at their risk which often they have no problem doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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