Marc Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Lotsa folks doing this lately. Anyone know where to find the cite that prohibits it? Click to Enlarge 16.79 KB Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brric Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Can not be within the foot print of the tub. The question is whether or not the deck in which the tub is mounted qualifies as part of the footprint. 2011 NEC 406.9© Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Sorrells Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Is it on a GFI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim5055 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Somebody spends too much time in the tub..... But, I have a TV mounted next to my hot tub outside, so I guess I'm not one to cast stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Is it on a GFI? Not this one. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brric Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 As you know, ALL bathroom receps must be GFCI protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yep. I wrote that up but left the location alone. Couldn't find anything against it. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Fabry Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 It may be arguable that that's a wet location. On another note, I'm sure that window glass is tempered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector57 Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 2012 IRC E4002.11 Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall. Arguable depending on where you place the emphasis when reading the rule as to within a bathtub... or within a bathtub... ...stall. I would call this out just like a pendant light hanging over a tub. Maybe if the tub deck was not there and it was a free standing tub a few feet away, but there is no doubt that if a window was on that wall it would have to be tempered because it forms part of the enclosure of the tub. Also, E4003.11 Bathtubs and shower areas. Cord-connected luminaries , chain-, cable-, or cord suspended-luminaries, lighting track, pendants, and ceiling -suspended (paddle) face shall not have any parts located within a zone... This zone is all encompassing and includes the area over the tub or shower... Even if it is not covered in the specifics of the code, it is a DUMB place for a TV and I am going to tell them lest their survivors come asking me why I did not warn about this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Sorrells Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 But the real question may be " Why do they have such a small TV ?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjr6550 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I know this does not answer the question, but... assuming the TV can unplug itself before falling in the water, then what the heck? On another note, how long can you watch TV before you look like a prune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 . . . Even if it is not covered in the specifics of the code, it is a DUMB place for a TV and I am going to tell them lest their survivors come asking me why I did not warn about this! I suggest adding Article 101 to the NEC. It would consist of a single section, titled, "Don't do stupid things." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I know this does not answer the question, but... assuming the TV can unplug itself before falling in the water, then what the heck? TV falls and dangles from its cord. Bather sits up to catch it and put it back in its place. . . On another note, how long can you watch TV before you look like a prune? This was established back in the '50s: Exactly 1-1/4 episodes of I Love Lucy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 But the real question may be " Why do they have such a small TV ?" My thought exactly. This is America dammit, get a big ass TV! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Breslawski Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Or somebody plugs something else into the outlet. Something that has a longer cord and would easily reach the tub. Plenty of problems with this set up. I know this does not answer the question, but... assuming the TV can unplug itself before falling in the water, then what the heck? TV falls and dangles from its cord. Bather sits up to catch it and put it back in its place. . . On another note, how long can you watch TV before you look like a prune? This was established back in the '50s: Exactly 1-1/4 episodes of I Love Lucy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Sorrells Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 May be part of natural selection. We do need to weed out the gene pool. What can you say about a person with a big tub and a small TV ???[:-censore Click to Enlarge 49.24 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Port Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 2012 IRC E4002.11 Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall. Arguable depending on where you place the emphasis when reading the rule as to within a bathtub... or within a bathtub... ...stall. I would call this out just like a pendant light hanging over a tub. Maybe if the tub deck was not there and it was a free standing tub a few feet away, but there is no doubt that if a window was on that wall it would have to be tempered because it forms part of the enclosure of the tub. Also, E4003.11 Bathtubs and shower areas. Cord-connected luminaries , chain-, cable-, or cord suspended-luminaries, lighting track, pendants, and ceiling -suspended (paddle) face shall not have any parts located within a zone... This zone is all encompassing and includes the area over the tub or shower... Even if it is not covered in the specifics of the code, it is a DUMB place for a TV and I am going to tell them lest their survivors come asking me why I did not warn about this! The pendant light is clearly prohibited. The airspace above the footprint is also included. The footprint of the tub is less defined as it leaves room for interpretation if it includes the surrounding deck. It may be arguable that that's a wet location. That might be hard to argue, especially if that is only a tub, which it looks like based on the wall and window finishes. Or somebody plugs something else into the outlet. Something that has a longer cord and would easily reach the tub. Plenty of problems with this set up. The sames issues could happen with a receptacle installed in a code compliant location 1/16" outside the footprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erby Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 There is a purpose to Darwinism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Port Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 If this was so much of an issue I am sure that the NEC would have addresses this somewhere along the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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