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NY is at 56k confirmed cases. The vast majority are in the big apple, but all but 4 counties have confirmed cases. The vast majority of cases in the city are believed to have been transmitted by subway riders touching contaminated surfaces. The virus can survive a week on some materials. 

 

It doesn't matter how many people are there during the inspection. How many people were there in the last week, and where were they before that? And before that?

 

Because folks don't follow the loose rules we get tighter and tighter rules. The construction side of my biz is now closed as well. I'm with Mike. Stay home. 

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We can go to the grocery store and to Lowes, and to Tractor Supply. Inspecting an empty house  seems pretty low risk compared to buying bread.  

Well at least somebody else noticed the false info at our government funded news outlet (Unless you're already infected, masks won't help you.) and they corrected it! Although now factually cor

I want the deluxe model with sleeves and gloves attached. And a kangaroo pouch for money. [:)]

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The other day, either here or on another home inspector's site, an inspector explained how he was being pressured by agents to ignore one of these Governor-ordered stay-at-home orders. He was arguing with others who urged him to stay home because he was worried that, if he refused, agents would not refer their clients to him in the future.

Hmmm, who is the low man on the totem poll in the transaction - the agent, the buyer or the inspector? I submit to you that the referring agent is going to always think of the inspector as the low man on the totem pole, regardless of comparative experience between the two.

Now, suppose one really doesn't want to go out there, but does anyway at the urging of the agent, and a day after the inspection the client gets sick. The agent and the inspector get tested and test positive. Then they quarantine themselves and recover at home without even needing a ventilator. The client dies. That would probably be a pretty alarming scandal.

Who do you suppose the agent is liable to say caused her to get sick and her client to die? Which inspector is the agent liable to never refer customers to that inspector again? Which inspector is liable to end up being branded an irresponsible piece of shite by the agents once they circle their wagons?

Be sensible - STAY THE F**K HOME !!! 

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So, now, something else to add to the discussion.

About two hours ago, I was communicating via FB messenger with an old schoolmate from my hometown, Amenia, NY. Amenia is in Dutchess County, about a hundred miles north of the World Trade Center in Manhattan. My friend told me she is mad as hell and terrified. Keep reading and you will learn why.

When the first few COVID deaths occurred in New York City and she'd heard all of the dire predictions that there would be a pandemic, she'd shut herself up in her home on March 1st. She is retired, over sixty-five and has COPD, so she felt it was the prudent thing to do. Since her self-isolation began, she had been having friends and relatives go to the market or run errands for her. They would deliver to her home and leave the bags of groceries and such at the end of the driveway and collect a check for payment from the mailbox next to the driveway. After the items were delivered and the persons that delivered them had left, she'd go outside and walk to the end of the driveway to retrieve the items. She hadn't allowed ANYONE, not even her son or  his family who lived next door and who were also sheltering in place, enter her home since March first.

About two weeks ago, her son and daughter-in-law asked her to attend the upcoming birthday party for one of her grandsons. Initially she refused, citing her fear of getting exposed to COVID. Her son and daughter-in-law implored her to attend; stating that only locals would attend the party and none of those had been farther than Millerton, NY, ten miles away, in the past four months, so they were sure none of them would be infected. Finally she gave in and about ten days ago she attended the party. There turned out to be about thirty persons at the party - only family and close friends - so everyone was convinced that they'd all be safe. The party lasted about five hours, after which everyone left and went home. A few days after the party, she heard from her son that one of the friends who'd attended the party had come down sick with what she'd thought was a cold. The friend decided that, just to be safe, she'd get tested for COVID. She went over to the nearest hospital in Sharon, CT, about six miles away and got tested. The friend was shocked when she tested positive for COVID.

Now you know why my old friend is pissed off and terrified. She's not only worried for herself - her son, a heavy smoker, has heart problems, and two of her grandkids have asthma (Not surprising since their Dad is a heavy smoker.). She is terrified because she knows that if they get hard locally with that virus, and if she herself turns out to be infected, she probably has little chance of surviving because of her existing health issues. Sharon Hospital is tiny - about fifty beds - and she says they only have two ventilators on site. The next two closest hospitals are in Poughkeepsie, NY and in Danbury, CT - both about twenty-five miles away and in towns with much larger populations. There is one elderly doctor in Amenia. There are probably two dozen doctors that live in Sharon and work at Sharon Hospital, but some of them are surgeons and other specialists - only two are three are internists (I think that's the term she used) that would treat COVID patients.

I asked her, "If everyone at the party is absolutely sure that they have only had contact with family and friends, and none have had any outside contact for a few months, how did that lady come down with COVID. She guessed that someone at the party - possibly the lady who is sick, but it could have been anyone at that party - had touched a surface in town somewhere that was contaminated - possibly the counter in the lobby of the post office that everyone uses or the counter at the only convenience store- gas station in town where everyone in town fills up their tanks. Apparently, she'd placed her un-gloved hands on the counter while she'd spent a few minutes chatting with the proprietor, another local.

And now the rest of the story. When I left Amenia forty-five years ago, the largest local employer was a state hospital. That hospital closed about twenty-five years ago. Then, since ridership had dropped off when people from the city no longer rode north to visit their loved ones at the state hospital, the New York Central Railroad discontinued its service and tore up their tracks. Right around that time, most of the large local farms, which had been purchased by out-of-town investors as tax shelters, began going broke due to mismanagement and owners began selling them off for building lots. Most lots were sold to folks from New York City, most of whom then turned their properties into little weekend horse ranches surrounded by white fences.

Since all of those new "ranches" had caused property taxes to spike to an unreasonable level, and since there were too few jobs to be had, many families - mostly younger folks who'd formerly been employed at the state hospital - began moving away and were gradually replaced by well-heeled folks from New York City who built McMansions and commuted by car to the city to work. Seeing that influx of commuters, about twenty years ago, the New York Central restored it's rails to a point three miles south of downtown and built a park-n-ride at the terminus. Today, about two hundred commuters with very distinct Noo Yawkaa accents, which are different from the locals, board the morning train at that terminal bound for Manhattan. In the evening they return, get in their cars and drive home to their McMansions.

Though they may never really know who spread that bug from New York City to a tiny hick town a hundred miles north, it's a fair guess that the carrier(s) were probably commuters who used that train and who'd used the post office or had filled up at the one place in town where one can get fuel - that convenience store - and that may have been where the lady became infected. My friend will be driving out to the emergency room at a hospital in Danbury, CT tomorrow to get tested. Her son will apparently be taking his family down there at the same, as will the other guests at that party. Sharon Hospital, only six miles away, would not test them, citing a shortage of test kits and the need to reserve the kits for those who are showing active symptoms. Word has spread through the community and people are understandably shook up. My friend's future, and her life, and the future and lives of her son and grandchildren are now in limbo until the test results are known.

Is there any clearer indication of how easily this bug can be spread and how dangerous it is?

ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!!

Mike

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I may not 'like' a law, but I am bound to obey a law... even if I don't agree with it...      For example, I am not allowed (by MA Law) to give estimates.. so I don't. How many thousands of times have I 'wished I could' though!  Over-all, the CDC and 'everybody' says simply this:   STFH    and you know.. they are right... 

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/coronavirus-update-what-you-need-to-know-march-29-1.5513970

This is what they are telling us in Canada... I think the last line is fake news! No mention of HEPA air filters either.

What can I do to protect myself?

  • Wash your hands frequently and thoroughly. Keep them clean.
  • Keep at least two metres away from people who are sick.
  • When outside the home, keep two metres away from other people.
  • Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth.
  • Unless you're already infected, masks won't help you.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Michael Brown said:

This is what they are telling us in Canada... I think the last line is fake news! No mention of HEPA air filters either.

  • Unless you're already infected, masks won't help you.

 

 

 

Its not fake news, its just old news, at least here in the US. The US Surgeon General said the same thing one month ago, but I think that advice is going to change. Healthcare workers wear them for a reason, and there is a severe shortage of masks for hospitals, etc.. The problem with face masks is if the mask gets infected, people are touching their masks and infecting their hands. I will go along with something is better than nothing regarding face masks.

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We're fighting a real war. With automation, it probably takes a total of ten seconds to make a mask and a half hour on a rapid assembly line to create a respirator. If they are going to force GM to join Ford, Philco, etc. in making respirator production more rapid, they can do the same for mask producers. Hell, if there aren't enough producers in the country, toss some money at some enterprising individuals so they can buy the machinery and supplies and set up new companies churning them out around the clock. Hell, the new entrepreneurs will make money and they can even put some folks back to work in the process. It's what we did at the outset of WWII. A lot of new manufacturers ramped up very quickly while existing ones re-tooled. We did it then we can do it now.

Korea flattened the curve but ours is still climbing like a 757 leaving Boeing Field.
Korea did it with a combination of things. People listened when they were told to self isolate. They listened when they were told to clean their hands often and self isolate. They listened when they were told to frequently sanitize surfaces. They listened when they were told to keep their distance from one another. They all, with very few exceptions, donned face masks and forced themselves to keep their hands away from them. They're medical folks very rapidly figured out that zinc supplements and chloroquine sulfate administered early-on kicks this bug in the nuts. They published those real-life findings weeks ago. One doesn't need a prescription in Korea. All you need is to be over 21. You walk into a pharmacy, tell 'em what drug you need, and, when the pharmacist hands it over you pay him/her. It's that simple.

I know, some of you are probably going, "Pfft, Korea? That's apples and oranges. This is the US. We're huge compared to them. We need more." Well, not that much more. All of South Korea is about the size of Oregon, but South Korea's population is 51 million - one-seventh the size of the US. If they can get ahold of this thing so rapidly in a country that is that densely populated, we can too - we simply need to stop waiting for folks to become sick enough to need hospitalization and get them identified and treated early so that they can recover at home off of ventilators.

It took people here way too long to take this seriously. Once they began realizing it was real, lots of 'em refused to follow any of the recommendations because they had this nutty idea that they were somehow immune or invincible. That allowed this stuff to spread further. Meanwhile, the FDA, with its layers of bureaucracy, is moving at a snails pace with approving use of chloroquine sulfate and the number of deaths continues to increase its pace.

ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!!

Mike

 

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Well at least somebody else noticed the false info at our government funded news outlet (Unless you're already infected, masks won't help you.) and they corrected it!

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What can I do to protect myself?

  • Wash your hands frequently and thoroughly. Keep them clean.
  • Keep at least two metres away from people who are sick.
  • When outside the home, keep two metres away from other people.
  • Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth.
  • Masks won't fully protect you from infection, but can help prevent you from infecting others.

 

Although now factually correct... some of the N95 mask most are recommending only filters inbound air and has a one way valve and a deflector that sends unfiltered exhausted breath downwards in front of user. These types of N95 probably won't help much when it comes to someone that's infected NOT infecting others. Other masks types are probably better at preventing someone infected from infecting others? 

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Too bad these governors can't stand united on just one basic issue.

Mike, good points, if someone gets sick, it'll be the inspector, must have sneezed. Y'all take care and yes, stay home, it is not worth the risk to others less healthy. Let's hope the whole country starts to pull together as one?

For pretty good data refreshed every few minutes, try Worldometers.info.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

 

 

 

 

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I used to social distance myself from the New York State Police in one of these. They could get close on the straights but I'd blow 'em away through curvy back roads.

Later addendum: I should have added that, despite quite a few follow-the-leader games, they only caught me once - but once is all it takes. Damned fog! Drove into a cloud bank in a low area. Nobody was behind me when I entered, but when I came out the other side there was a brown Fury III with a bubble-gum machine on the roof closing on me close and fast. After chasing me for 15 - 20 minutes, I turned down a road I wasn't familiar with and discovered that it wasn't maintained. After 300 yards it was covered with snow a foot deep.

Cited only for 130 in a 55 'cuz the trooper was a friend of my father (The other troopers at the station were pissed he didn't write me for multiple evading, reckless driving, etc.). The judge wasn't happy  - $100 fine (Ouch - that was a lot of money in 1971.) plus, he had DMV suspend my license for six months (Triple Ouch). My old man went ballistic.

Those were the days - young, dumb and full of cum.

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1 hour ago, Jim Katen said:

Hurt your back again? 

Nah, the knees have been bone-on-bone for more than a year. I had to postpone the replacement surgery several times. Now, it's the medical folks that have postponed it. 

I've swallowed enough pain killer tablets in the past year to cobble the driveway.

Think I've watched all of Netflix and Amazon Prime too. 

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Here in Washington State the governor has indicated that real estate, home inspections, etc. are essential business. There are new guidelines for agents showing properties,  no more than two people in the home at one time. I am not having clients show up at inspections and making sure that no one else is present during inspections. I have online reports, inspection agreements, and billing.       

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2 hours ago, Trent Tarter said:

Here in Washington State the governor has indicated that real estate, home inspections, etc. are essential business. There are new guidelines for agents showing properties,  no more than two people in the home at one time. I am not having clients show up at inspections and making sure that no one else is present during inspections. I have online reports, inspection agreements, and billing.       

I posted that memorandum earlier in this thread. (https://www.governor.wa.gov/sites/default/files/Essential Business Guidance - Real Estate Memo.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery)

Mike pointed out that it seems to say that it only applies to pending transactions. Not future ones. 

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Hi Jim,

More guidance came out from DOL via email. They are basically saying it's OK for folks to go business as usual as long as they do the safety guidelines.

Personally, I think it's a huge mistake and I wouldn't be surprised if someone gets sick.

Folks should realize that, even though about 95% of folks survive this, your lungs are left scarred by fibroids and nobody is talking about how long it takes for them to fully heal, if ever.

I still think that, until this is over, folks should 

STAY THE F**K HOME !!!

ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!!

Mike

 

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