caryseidner Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Does this McDonald Yoke Bar serve as a ground wire jumper cable? Image Insert: 57.5 KB Image Insert: 56.2 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI in AR Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 For what it's worth (almost nothing) my guess would be no. But that's only a guess. Around here, not having the same conditions ya'll have in the frozen north where it actually freezes more than a very few inches below grade, we put water meters where they belong: in the ground.[] I've never seen or heard of a yoke like that. But if it is all covered in paint as I suspect, I would doubt that it would serve properly as a bonding jumper -- and I doubt it's rated as such. But that's only a guess. If I'm wrong, I'm sure others will chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy_Bob Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 No because it is painted (poor or no connection) and looks to be a slip on device (not a tight clamped on connection to pipe). Good electrical connections are tight, as with a regular water pipe ground clamp. Some electrical connections, like with the main service panel (big) wires, even require that they be torqued with a torque wrench to a specific tightness (in foot pounds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Cary, I've never seen one of those. What can you tell me about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I've never seen one of those either. What's it do? It doesn't look as if it's intended to serve as a jumper. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caryseidner Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I don't know anything about them myself, and this was the first time I have come across one. I had a commercial inspection in Indiana yesterday and there it was. I guess I will call McDonald in the morning and ask them what the heck it's for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieb Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Originally posted by caryseidner I don't know anything about them myself, and this was the first time I have come across one. I had a commercial inspection in Indiana yesterday and there it was. I guess I will call McDonald in the morning and ask them what the heck it's for. Other than mud, I never see anything on a water meter. I seldom ID the main line material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caryseidner Posted August 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 A.Y. McDonald says that is an apparatus to add support/strength to the piping & meter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I found this on meter yokes. http://www.ejprescott.com/products/WaterMeters/MeterYokes.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI in AR Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I'm going to step right up and show my ignorance. Since all our water meters are underground near the street, I never see anything on them. If you don't count dirt (Like Charlie said) or crickets and spiders. Sometimes the occasional toad. Certainly no wires or yokes. So here's my question: If the water meter has a nice bronze housing (as shown) and is solidly connected to the water line at both ends, don't you already have a good electro-mechanical connection? Would you ever need a jumper wire in a case like this? Where's the break in continuity that you are trying to bridge over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Whitmore Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Kevin, I have heard it is so you have continuity when the meter is pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caryseidner Posted August 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 I believe it's because of the plastic components within the meter, that interrupt the bonding. Image Insert: 44.09 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenT Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 The jumper across the meter, like in illustration B, is there in to ensure continuity the event that the meter is removed, and in A, it is there so there is continuity across a non conductive material. At a water heater, it is there in the event the heater is removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Chew Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Originally posted by StevenT The jumper across the meter, like in illustration B, is there in to ensure continuity the event that the meter is removed, and in A, it is there so there is continuity across a non conductive material. At a water heater, it is there in the event the heater is removed. Around here, most water heaters have steel tanks and many water supply plumbing systems are copper. The water heaters are connected to the water supply system with galvanized steel nipples. In order to prevent galvanic corrosion, there is, or should be, a dielectric between the steel and the copper. The hot and cold copper supply lines (should) have a jumper across them near the water heater to maintain continuity under normal conditions, as well as when the heater is removed during servicing of it. In my report, I don't dwell on the specific reasons (dielectric, plastic parts inside, removal from service) and all the possibilities for why the jumper may be needed at a particular location. I focus on the purpose of the jumper (to provide electrical continuity of the plumbing system back to the electrical system ground) and why not having one, or having an improper one, can be lethal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msteger Posted August 15, 2008 Report Share Posted August 15, 2008 I've only seen copper used for these jumpers. I've never seen or heard of that yoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenT Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Brandon, I also see dielectric fittings, but I think I see more brass to copper. Either way, it's a jumper across the water heater. Matthew, I've never seen that type of yoke either. I don't think it has anything to do with jumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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