Bain Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Does anyone know when the rule about wet locations was written into the NEC? I busted a nine or ten year old house recently that had an outlet within a foot of a shower stall and the seller's claiming that there were no code prohibitions at the time of construction, and that the house passed the muni, etc. I'm not trying to reinitiate the safe-is-safe dialogue. I'm just trying to--lazily--gather ammunition for a young couple that has a gazillion small children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWagar Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I'm not so sure that the NEC has any requirements for the location of outlets outside of the shower/bathtub (as of 2005 anyway). I don't have a copy of the latest code. There cannot be an outlet or switch inside of the shower or bathtub surround. GFCI protection is very imnportant for that type of installation, but that should be there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Originally posted by Bain Does anyone know when the rule about wet locations was written into the NEC? I busted a nine or ten year old house recently that had an outlet within a foot of a shower stall and the seller's claiming that there were no code prohibitions at the time of construction, and that the house passed the muni, etc. I'm not trying to reinitiate the safe-is-safe dialogue. I'm just trying to--lazily--gather ammunition for a young couple that has a gazillion small children. What do you mean "within a foot of a shower stall"? Was it next to it or above it? Was it in an area that will be subject to saturation with water? Receptacles are prohibited within or directly above shower stalls. There's no rule about placing one next to a shower stall. A receptacle in a wet location merely needs a weather cover. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 It was right next to the tile surround, Jim, where damp little hands could touch it to gain purchase getting in or out of the shower. It sounds as if there's nothing prohibiting its current--no pun intended--location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erby Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Other than good common sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Is it GFCI protected? If I still felt it was unsafe, I might recommend just removing the outlet and putting a blank cover on the receptacle box. Unless it is a really big bathroom it is unlikely that any outlets are required besides at the vanity anyway. After that it is up to them wether or not they can spare 1 or 2 of the gazillion. Either upgrading to GFCI or a blank cover is relatively inexpensive for buyer or seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Remas Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 You don't have to write it up as a defect if it is not but you can still put in your report what you recommend for "safety enhancement" and common sense. So it is not a negotiating point between the buyer and seller but it should be addressed if it is not GFCI and weather protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Jeff, Should that weather protection be an "in use" cover?[:-eyebrow A blank would look a whole lot better, and preclude the odd appliance in the shower. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resqman Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 From the 2008 NEC. - 406.8 Receptacles in Damp or Wet Locations. - - © Bathtub and Shower Space. Receptacles shall not be installed within or directly over a bathtub or shower stall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted November 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Thanks, everyone. The outlet was, indeed, wired into a GFCI circuit, but it still didn't seem like it was completely safe. The outlet wasn't actually within the shower stall, so no rules were broken. But I'm gonna tell my peeps to put a dummy cover over it or something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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