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  1. Thanks guys. Bill, so in answer to my question it seems that there's no prohibition for a running trap, only a restriction on its location just like all traps. And Jim, I don't see any requirement that a trap be listed or labeled. At least not in the IRC. Is that a UPC thing?
  2. I have heard that a "running trap" wasn't allowed, but when I tried to look up a code citation I couldn't find anything. About all it says is that traps shall be of a standard design, which is a rather nebulous term. Can anybody shed light on the concept of a running trap? Is it allowed by code? Not allowed by practice? Anything? Thanks
  3. I suspect that this building was raised many years ago and the wood frame part was built underneath the original masonry structure. Chicago has a long history of raising buildings, even some very big ones. This city has long struggled with how high it wants its streets to be above the swamp and which direction it wants its river to flow. Also, that mortar joint is done that way so that they didn't have to grind out any old mortar. Probably the mortar was fine but not great and the homeowner wanted to tuck point, for visual reasons as much as anything. I see lots of tuck pointing that's just basically painting a very thin layer of new mortar. This way at least they get a thicker bed of mortar so that it's not so likely to flake off after just a couple of years.
  4. Do any of you guys know what this is? This is a kitchen cabinet underneath the second (prep) sink in a very large kitchen in a very large house. It's a rectangular plastic piece that's screwed down at all four corners. The scalloped edge is part of a hole that goes through the cabinet bottom to the kitchen floor below. My first thought is that it's part of a system to turn on the sink with your foot that hasn't been completed. Thanks Steve
  5. This document from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control is one of my favorites regarding mold. https://www.cdc.gov/mold/faqs.htm You should take a look at it. A few highlights: So knowing the type of mold isn't really helpful. And this testing seems especially unhelpful because it didn't help at all (as far as I can tell) in pinpointing the source of the water that's causing the mold. So when you tell us how much mold was found, that's not really helpful either, because there's no standard for what's too high. Again the type of mold you may have isn't really important. Apparently you don't want to live in a house that grows mold where your kids are going to play. I don't blame you. I wouldn't either. But the question is: can the source of the water be identified and fixed, right? I don't think there's enough information here for anybody to help make that determination. You need a good home performance specialist to look at the house and figure it out. Good luck.
  6. This might not be so unusual. In the IBC, table 506.2 lists the allowable floor area of a building based on occupancy type and construction type. If this building is of type III construction (exterior walls built of noncombustible materials) then even without sprinklers it could have a floor area of 16,000 square feet for any type of residential occupancy. So it's not so crazy to think that back in 1974 they wouldn't have required a fire wall anywhere in this building -- if it's type III. If the exterior wall is combustible then you're down to probably a 7,000 square feet limit, and so at least one fire wall probably would have been required depending on the sizes of the units.
  7. So if a manufacturer makes a piece of equipment that uses 14 amps (with a standard 15 amp plug) then how do they ensure that it's only used on an "individual branch circuit"? Just with instructions? That seems awfully tenuous to me. I can see how that might work for something like a clothes dryer or electric range. But I don't see how that works for anything with a standard 15 amp plug, like a hair dryer or toaster oven. The opportunities for the average person to violate the rule are just too great.
  8. I have another electrical question for everybody. NEC section 210.23(A)(1) says that for 15 and 20 amp circuits "The rating of any one cord-and-plug connected utilization equipment not fastened in place shall not exceed 80 percent of the branch-circuit ampere rating." So am I correct that this is a requirement not for the guy running wire through your house, but it's a requirement for the folks making your hair dryer. A manufacturer can't (or shouldn't) make anything with a standard plug for use on a 15-amp circuit such that the appliance is designed to use more than 12 amps. If it's got a plug so that it can only be plugged into a 20 amp receptacle then it can't be designed to use more than 16 amps. An electric clothes dryer on a 30-amp circuit shouldn't be designed to use more than 24 amps. Thanks Steve
  9. Thanks very much Mike. This is interesting.
  10. This was not part of the original question that prompted my post, but now I'm curious about this: I fully understand the ins-and-outs of equipment grounding with a standard residential 120/240 volt single phase system. Basically you're connecting a wire from the appliance case back to the neutral bus bar in the main panel. (We can skip the details.) And we can do that because the grounded conductor is both grounded and neutral. But what about a 3-phase system where the grounded conductor isn't necessarily neutral? You can't just connect a wire back to this grounded conductor if it's not neutral, right? Or how about in places that use a single phase system that isn't even a grounded system? I don't think that I understand how equipment grounding works in those cases. Any help?
  11. Jim, your reply actually helped me quite a bit to understand this better. But I might not have been clear in my original question, if so I'm sorry about that. I'm not so much interested in some random "neutral" wire running through your house. I'm interested in the grounded service entrance conductor running from the transformer in to your service panel. Would that conductor still be neutral if it wasn't grounded?
  12. Thanks for the reply. I understand that this definition was added in 2008, but nothing physically changed then, right? So if this was a neutral point in 2008 then it was a neutral point in 2007, wasn't it? But specifically to the point, doesn't it look like at the neutral point the vectorial sum of the nominal voltages from the two live phases is zero? But isn't that the case? Isn't the service entrance just a big multi-wire circuit? That seems to be the crux of the issue.
  13. Yes, but that's my point. Or my question. Or something. Grounding has nothing to do with whether or not the point X0 in my diagram is the neutral point. If that's true then the conductor coming from that X0 point is neutral whether or not the system is grounded.
  14. Why? And then let me push back a little bit. From the NEC, the definition of neutral conductor and neutral point are: Neutral Conductor: The conductor connected to the neutral point of a system that is intended to carry current under normal conditions. Neutral Point: The common point on a wye-connection in a polyphase system or midpoint on a single-phase, 3-wire system, or midpoint of a single-phase portion of a 3-phase delta system, or a midpoint of a 3-wire, direct current system. FPN (fine print note): At the neutral point of the system, the vectorial sum of the nominal voltages from all other phases within the system that utilize the neutral, with respect to the neutral point, is zero potential. These definitions don't seem to require any type of grounding. At the neutral point of a standard 120/240 system, where our "neutral" conductor attaches at the transformer, isn't the vectorial sum of the voltages from the other phases equal to zero, regardless of whether or not this conductor is grounded?
  15. Would what we colloquially call the "neutral conductor" still be neutral if it wasn't grounded? Steve
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