Robert Jones Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 This was a first for me, so here I am for your assistance. Today while inspecting a duplex, both units had High efficiency natural gas furnaces, both approximately 8 years old. They were both installed in a bedroom closet! The only access was through the sliding mirrored doors and I even had to push the hanging clothes back from the front grill. Can someone point me in the right direction for the code on this? I am sure this install has safety issues written all over it. Thank-you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hi, If they are direct-vent type furnaces that have PVC intake and exhaust pipes, along with a sealed combustion chamber, they can be located in bedrooms per IRC 1701.4/UMC904.5. They'd still need to meet the minimum clearance requirements at the front back and sides, as defined by the manufacturer's instructions, but I don't see a safety issue as long as they do and all combustion air is coming from the outside and isn't being drawn from that room. Of course, the clothes issue is dumb, although the front grill on a high efficiency furnace isn't functioning the same way that the front grill, which is an air intake grill on an ordinary furnace, functions. I'd advise the homeowner in writing to maintain proper clearance around the furnace, but, as long as everything else meets the requirements I wouldn't be concerned with it. Whether the homeowner will heed that advice and maintain the clearance is another issue altogether. You can only lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Thank-you Mike. I was a little off base on this one, thanks for clearing it up for me. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housewhisperer Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Your description sounds like the closets are clothes closets. I can find no code references which permit the installation of gas-fired heating appliances in bedroom clothes closets ââ¬â for good reason. Clothes closets are used to store combustible materials. Regarding the installation of central heating boilers, furnaces, and water heaters in closets that open directly off of bedrooms or bathrooms and which are specifically designed and intended only for enclosing such appliances, Section 9.3 of the ââ¬Å2002 National Fuel Gas Codeâ⬠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Originally posted by housewhisperer Your description sounds like the closets are clothes closets. I can find no code references which permit the installation of gas-fired heating appliances in bedroom clothes closets ââ¬â for good reason. Clothes closets are used to store combustible materials. Regarding the installation of central heating boilers, furnaces, and water heaters in closets that open directly off of bedrooms or bathrooms and which are specifically designed and intended only for enclosing such appliances, Section 9.3 of the ââ¬Å2002 National Fuel Gas Codeâ⬠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housewhisperer Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mike, You're correct - direct vent or electric are permitted IRC G2406.2 (303.3) and UMC 904.5. My particular jurisdiction, bing the overly cautious jurisdiction that it is, still won't permit any gas-fired appliances in clothes closet citing issues regarding maintaining working clearances. But then, they also still require FVIR water heaters to be raised 18" or more above a garage floor even though the NFGC approves them for placement directly on a garage floor. Thanks for the correction. They permit gas fireplaces in bedrooms as well. Go figure. Having experienced CO poisoning once, I wouldn't live in a home that had any gas-fired appliance, direct vent or otherwise, in a sleeping room or in any enclosure that opened directly into a sleeping room. But that's just me. I'd keep that opinion to myself if I were performing an inspection. However, I might suggest that my client consider installing a top quality CO detector such as a CO-Experts Model 2004 Low Level Carbon Monoxide "Health" Monitor alarm in the bedroom. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlito4u Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hi new to group. I was wondering I want to rent out half of my basement and there is a furnace and water heater in it. Not sure if I have a direct vent type furnace and if is safe in bedroom. I can build enclosure around it? Next to this room is another room same size 10'x24'. I have pictures of furnace and can take more. Im just not sure if I can build something around furnace to make my new friend safe if we can move her in. Originally posted by hausdok Hi, If they are direct-vent type furnaces that have PVC intake and exhaust pipes, along with a sealed combustion chamber, they can be located in bedrooms per IRC 1701.4/UMC904.5. They'd still need to meet the minimum clearance requirements at the front back and sides, as defined by the manufacturer's instructions, but I don't see a safety issue as long as they do and all combustion air is coming from the outside and isn't being drawn from that room. Of course, the clothes issue is dumb, although the front grill on a high efficiency furnace isn't functioning the same way that the front grill, which is an air intake grill on an ordinary furnace, functions. I'd advise the homeowner in writing to maintain proper clearance around the furnace, but, as long as everything else meets the requirements I wouldn't be concerned with it. Whether the homeowner will heed that advice and maintain the clearance is another issue altogether. You can only lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlito4u Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I may have already posted this new to Forums: sorry if this is repost. Notice you were talking about furnace and waterheaters in bedrooms i have a question, I was wondering I want to rent out half of my basement and there is a furnace and water heater in it. Not sure if it direct vent type furnace and if is safe in bedroom. I can build enclosure around it? Next to this room is another room same size 10'x24'. I have pictures of furnace and can take more. Im just not sure if I can build something around furnace to make my new friend safe if we can move her in. I have pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hi, Even if it isn't a direct vent furnace, it's possible to convert the basement space to living quarters by building an enclosure around the equipment but you'll have to isolate it from the basement and it will need to have a source of fresh air for combustion. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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