chicago Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 The developer would not allow me access to the common areas,stating between the walls only on this three unit condo. Problem is can I just assume this is a remote distibution panel? Also can one AFCI breaker control (2 )bedrooms as seen here. Another thing is the panel is upside down. Download Attachment: painel.jpg 43.11 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago Posted May 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Found out through call that upside down is OK One breaker is allowed but still wonder if it is connected properly. No pigtail. Also ceiling lights not on that circuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Lewis Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Bob, I guess you edited out the question about the grounding? The panel can be upside down, as long as the breakers operate laterally and not up/down. Definitely looks like a panel remote from the main disconnect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEuriech Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Bob I would not assume anything. If I could not verify where the main disconnect was or if this was the main panel, I would state it in my report and made sure the customer knew about it. I don't have a problem with the panel being upside down due to the breaker handles going horizontal. If the breaker handles were vertical, then we would need proper orientation. One AFC breaker can be used for two bedrooms. I don't see the branch ground wires in your picture. All I see are white wires. Where are the ground wires connected to the neutral? Jeff Euriech Peoria Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago Posted May 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hi... I took out the original question involving grounding upon realizing they are using the conduit,which is common in Chicago. In my report I will mention the lack of access due to a stubborn developer. Red flags do not write up well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenT Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Bob, Just looking at the picture, I would say there is main breaker elsewhere, probibly somewhere near the meters. Is it wired through bx or emt? there are your grounds. I don't see a green or copper grounding wire to an earthen ground. In essence, to me it looks like it is a remote panel. I would also like to see alot more of the neutral leg wraped in white tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago Posted May 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 With out a doubt I knew it was a remote distribution panel but was not allowed access to any common areas,so I made sure to disclaim what I could not see.Thanks for the help though. Electric is a funny thing as I find it tougher to analyze than to run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAbernathy Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 should also be noted that if this panel is being done with a "back-fed" breaker that it needs to be secured to the panelboard with a secure method...not a normal standard breaker installation. (F) Back-Fed Devices Plug-in-type overcurrent protection devices or plug-in type main lug assemblies that are backfed and used to terminate field-installed ungrounded supply conductors shall be secured in place by an additional fastener that requires other than a pull to release the device from the mounting means on the panel. Among the other things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I believe there is a retaining screw at that bottom breaker on Bob's panel. Download Attachment: retainerscrew.jpg 28.16 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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