Brian G

My X & C still works fine. I don't even think about it anymore. Brian G.

Originally posted by Les Brian is trying to sell more of those artsy drip pans! Busted! Dammit Les, I'm trying to make a living here...do you mind? [:-irked] Brian G. Dandy Drip Pans-R-Us Founder, President, and Chief Fabricator [^]

Originally posted by homnspector We can't use PVC here, has to be rated for hot water and same diameter as the TPR valve outlet (3/4 inch). That's true everywhere that has a code, Mike just snafu'd a little there. I usually recommend a drip pan if it is an interior installation, whether or not the drain line is routed to the exterior (nobody ever does it, probably wasting ink). Waste your ink, that's how it should be done. I waste ink on several things like that, everytime. We can lead a horse to water, but... You really arent supposed to go into the drain pipe are you? No, but the code says something fuzzy like "an appropriate place of disposal", without any common sense specifics. I always argue common sense to my clients on these kinds of things. "How will you ever know if it discharges?" "How will you know if the valve is defective and leaking?" "Will that standard PVC it's connected to be able to hold up for more than 5 minutes if it ever REALLY discharges?" I do the same when I argue against running the TPR piping down to the drip pan instead of outside. "If it discharges because of high pressure how much water will actually stay in that drip pan to drain away?" "How long will that standard PVC drain line from the pan last if it ever REALLY discharges?" "What's the cost to extend it to the exterior vs. the cost of water damage that might happen if this rig can't take it?" Piping TPR's and condensate drains to the plumbing system should be strictly and expressly prohibited by all codes. It's dumb and lazy. Brian G. Noted Authority on Everything [^] []

I'm pretty sure your state has a license law in place, but I don't know what it requires. That's the place to start. You don't want to put any time and money into things that don't go in the right direction. Any NY guys out there who can point to the right website? Brian G.

Well, never doubt the word of Mr. Prickett. Today I recieved an envelope from his business with $17,563 dollars in it...all Monopoly money (copied). Every bit as genuine as the bill I sent him...touche' sir. And a good time was had by all. [:-clown][:-jester] Brian G. Looking to Invest in a Lovey Hotel on Baltic Avenue [:-tophat]

"The cash is in the mail." Haven't heard that one before. [] Brian G. Le Bulshite Artista [:-dev3]

I don't know if Chris ever got it, but here's what was on the bill I sent. Trip by my Dad's office, flipping through a catalog for 5 minutes, making a copy, making a blow-up copy of part of that copy, faxing the copy, a phone call to get the mailing address, folding the copy, licking the envelope and stamp, the envelope and stamp themselves, walking to the mail box, opening the door and placing the envelope inside, closing the door, and raising the flag. $17,563.00 When that check comes in I'm buying a round for the house. Brian G. Generous to a Fault [:-angel]

Originally posted by Jim Katen Every electrician out there knows about multi-wire circuits and how to safely work with them. I gotta say, that's an unKaten-like overstatement. Half the licensed guys around here can't even wire a simple sub panel correctly, and that's only the tip of the iceburg. Brian G.

Originally posted by kteitel Zone Alarm makes the best free firewall and the other security products are also very good. Where as Zone Alarm with alert you that something is trying to send a message out from your computer and asks if you want to allow it. I had the free version for a while, but most of the time it couldn't tell me anything about whatever was asking to access the internet, which sort of left me in a guessing game anyway. I had to shut it down to update Norton everytime too. I think we should begin real internet security by imposing the death penaty for anyone who creates or distributes a virus. If they're overseas, sanction a hit. [:-skull] While we're at let's outlaw tracking cookies, spam, and the selling of any customer list by any vendors who use the net, with massive fines attached and zealously enforced. THAT would be a start. Brian G. Bleeding Heart Liberal, Seeking to Understand and Appreciate the Underlying Motivations and Causes of Hackers and Virus Lords Everywhere []

Yeah, I figured the fax copy was less than pristine, so I sent you my copy via snail-mail for future use. Richard's photos are pretty good. I'd tell the newbies to look for that distinctive lug if there's any doubt, that's what I do. Brian G. Chris's Copy Boy [:-indiffe

Originally posted by chrisprickett ....(Goodman-you call that a "shank"?)... This is my rifle, this is my gun, This one's for fightin', this one's for fun Brian G. The Wife Just Calls It Godzilla [^]

So Chris, did the copy come in the mail yet? When can I expect payment on that bill I included? [:-dev3] Brian G. Up to No Good Again []

Interesting. Sounds like we might need some make-up air from outside the envelope. Brian G.

Originally posted by charlieb HMMMMMMMM----- Could this be telling of Brian's past.[:-magnify Yer as good as shanked, Sessums. Only cost me one carton of smokes too. [xx(] Brian G. AKA The Shiv [:-grumpy]

The Backdoor Trojan? Did this virus start in a state penitentiary someplace? [:-bigeyes Brian G. Couldn't Help Myself [:-paperba

Just looks leaky as hell to me. The white stuff could be chlorine, calcium, or any one of a number of other minerals / elements in the water reacting with the metal. Brian G. Or I Could Be All Wet [:-slaphap

If I understand correctly the sub panel is fed from the main panel (by wires run back from the main panel), and is mounted on the service pole where the underground feed to the main panel starts (?). Then there's another sub panel (in a detached shop) being fed from the first sub panel, right? Sounds awkward. I'd be concerned about voltage drop at the detached building. As far as grounding (rod, ufer, etc.), I'd say you probably need it at all three. I think you will need a ground (fourth green wire / equipment ground) between the main and the first sub panel, but it's iffy. The first sub isn't in the same building (with the main panel) or a detached building, so I'm not sure how that plays in the NEC (Jim?). The sub in the detached building doesn't have to have the fourth wire IF there are no other metallic pathways between that building and the one the main panel is located in (other wires for phone, TV cable, etc., or metal pipes / fencing / rebar in concrete sidewalks, etc.). The safest thing to do is wire all of the sub panels as if they don't meet the exception (4 wires, separated grounds / neutrals, etc.), but if there's no sign of a metallic pathway on a detached building you can sound a little overzealous recommending it. If I were actually wiring it that's exactly what I would do. Brian G.

Got it. Just for the record, the HOM line specs allow 1 #14 - 8 or 2 #14 - 10 (copper) on single pole breakers between 15 - 30 amps. I can't imagine trying to get a #8 under that lug myself, but whatever. Strangely, the double poles from 15 - 30 appear to also allow double-tapping...haven't seen that yet. Brian G. Double-Lugging Is What You Do With Twin Babys at a Mall [:-crazy]

Chris, I'll get that for you in the morning, no problem. Terrence, Not right offhand, but I'm sure I can find it. If anyone else knows the exact location, feel free to beat me to it. Brian G. Double Tapping Is For Really Big Kegs! [:-drunk]

Since the subject has come up, I found this gutter on a house early last week. There's three 2/0 copper wires coming in from an underground service, split-bolted together with other 2/0 feeders supplying one 150 amp main panel (left) and one 200 amp main panel (right). 2/0 is the right size for a 200 and plenty + for a 150, but seems too small for one of each to me. No signs of heat or any other obvious problems as a result, but... Download Attachment: Gutter.JPG 42.57 KB I hesitated to speak as if I was certain, due to a shadowy fear of strange de-rating exceptions, etc., that I may be unaware of. In the report I recommended inspection, evaluation, and any needed corrections by a qualified electrician instead, and verbally told my client what I thought about it. Any feedback or comments are welcomed, other than yada-yada over one's personal choice of adjectives to describe a recommended contractor / expert. Brian G. My Mind Was in the Gutter at the Time Your Honor [:-drool]

A seal? What kind? A local utility type thing? Brian G. I Hear Seal Tastes Just Like Chicken [:-slaphap

Hmmm...well it makes sense, but doesn't sound like a particularly big deal, especially if the size is very close. I frequently see the manufacturer's calling for in-between sized breakers (25, 35, 45) with the next larger size installed (30, 40, 50). I think I'll stop writing it up unless they go more than the size right above in those cases. Mucho Gracias Lord Jim. [:-angel] Brian G. Gittin' Me Some Mor Edjumacationing! [:-glasses

Chris, My Dad is still in the wholesale electric supply business here, at a place that has Square D everything. I'm sure I can get you copies of the relevent pages in the Sq. D catalog, would that help? Brian G.

I've only run into a few gutters, but I don't mind opening them unless they're in a situation where things look difficult. They're nothing but a long junction box. I carry a good battery screwdriver, so it's quick and easy, even with a dozen screws. I'd certainly understand if someone else wasn't comfortable doing that though, clearly beyond standards. Brian G. Gutter Bum []