Brian G

Do new listers get a brat with cheese and a cold one? [:-drunk][:-drool][] Good to see you again Kevin. Brian G. Marketing Genius [:-graduat

I don't, but I just saw one in a panel yesterday. It had three wires connected to it. I swear, I think if you made one that was rated for 17 wires, some jacka** would hook-up 18. Brian G. Constantly Amazed [:-bigeyes

Originally posted by Donald Lawson Two main service panels on top, another panel on bottom serving the pool equipment. That's how it looks, but if you didn't open that gutter you really don't know what they did in there. Did you? Now the two "sub panels" in the garage still had the strap bonding the ground and neutral bus bars. If I've got this right, the ground and neutrals are already bonded in the 2 main panels. So the straps connecting the ground and neutral bus bars in the garage sub panels need to be cut. If you're right about what is main and what is sub, yes. Cut, removed, whatever, and the enclosure bonded but only on the bar with the equipment grounds. Also, the green wire in the lower panel for the pool equipment looks like a ground wire and will need to be seperated from the neutral wire. Correct? I would say yes again, but it's possible there's some weird pool equipment exception I'm not aware of. Norm? Brian G. IT'S NOT A MAIN PANEL, IT'S THE SERVICE DISCONNECT, OKAY?! Jerry Peck [:-gnasher

"Workman like", no; "Jerkman like", yes. [:-dunce] Brian G. Lookit Dat Job Security Boys [:-bigeyes [^]

Somehow from that last post I get the sense of a thirsty camel in the middle of a big, big desert. Around here we call that "married". [:-indiffe Brian G. Master Camel [:-banghea

Douglas gave an excellent class on these at IW in January, in which he more or less agreed with Jim's accessment as far as the current generation of AFCI's goes. For the life of me I can't pull up the details in my weary brain right now, but as I recall he had more hope for the next generation being a genuinely meaningful safety item. Can anyone else who was there help me out with the whys and wherefores? Warga? Jimmy? Brian G. What Was My Name Again? [:-crazy]

Originally posted by Donald Lawson Perhaps it's the redneck in me, but I kinda like that wall with all those pockets. Somehow I knew...well hey, what's not to like? The commode was that cool 70's green and the sink was yellow and the tub...was somewhere in between. I believe you're referring to "avacado" and "harvest gold", two staple colors of 70's everything. The worst was the wretched red-orange they called "poppy". [:-yuck] Women were not open minded enough to appreciate the advanced decor. Yeah...who the hell can figure them out anyway? [] Her first words after seeing it were "We're not living in THAT!!" I can hear ole Mac Davis now..."It's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way" Yep, I guess that's just a man's cross to bear, eh Don? [:-angel] Brian G. Sympatico With the Donster [^]

Originally posted by chrisprickett Sounds like my high school experience. No, no Chris, he said "halls" not "back seats". Brian G. Education Is a Wonderful Thing []

Since Donald likes the interior I've thrown in one more for the road. This is the hallway, done by my mother the artist. Brian G. Forever In Blue Jeans, Babe Download Attachment: Briantemp.JPG 41.27 KB

Originally posted by Richard Moore Did you place anything between the water heater and caulk, or are you planning on moving before the heater needs to be pryed out? Two layers of aluminum foil, o' shrewd one from across the big pond. My Momma only raised one fool, an' he's my brother so don't start on him. [] Brian G. Semi-Clever Redneck [:-dopey]

Originally posted by Donald Lawson I especially like the decor in the background. Reminds me of my bachelor years. 8 years living in a 12x52 Palacial Mansion. Best $1200 I ever spent! She didn't go up in value but she sure as heck couldn't go down much. (I sold it for $500 when I got married) Well ya dang fool, whud'ja sell it fer? And I've got you beat, I gave $1,000 for this one years ago (12 x 60, 1970 vintage). Two remodels later I probably have around $5,000 total in it, since day one. It was empty and unfinished until I married, we lived in it for 6 years, it's been empty for 5, now the girl is taking it over, and my son should be ready in about 12 more years IF my mother-in-law doesn't confiscate it somewhere in between. That's what I call value brother. Still has the original package unit too. Brian G. Housing Mogul [:-tophat]

Originally posted by Chad Fabry I'd have drilled a hole in the floor so you're head and shoulders above my approach. Originally posted by chrisprickett I'd have gotten the "no-good son-in-law" to do it. Oh sure, now you knotheads come with the alternate ideas. I gotta admit, I actually enjoyed making that. Not your "done it a hundred times already" carpentry item. Besides, the son-in-law (to be) is a mechanic...I'll get my use out of him. [] Brian G. Father-in-Law From Hell [:-devil]

What can I say, it was that or nothing. Since I own the trailer and my girl is moving in, nothing was not an option. The old water heater leaked once while I lived in it, but we caught it early. I was looking at that one while remodeling one day. It was 21 years old (bought it used 15 years ago), the water connections were semi-corroded, the relief piping was standard PVC and only went to the crawl space, there was no drip pan, etc.,etc.... I thought to myself, "I recommend replacing it with a nice, new, clean, more efficient one, with a drip pan and drain line to help protect my investment". Done. Brian G. Domestic Construction Artist [:-propell

I needed an odd-shaped drip pan for the new water heater in my old mobile home, so I made one out of plywood. I had to have room to take the pipes through the floor (no place else to go) and it had to fit inside a false cabinet. The bottom is 3/4 plywood, thick enough to screw the 3/8 sides to. Then I slathered it with a thick layer of polyurethane caulk (50 year rated life, outdoors). I guarantee you it will not leak anywhere but the drain line. I gave that a plumbing vent...why not? I can't help thinking what many of us would say if we found such a thing on an inspection. I can hear Walter Jowers now..."Unconventional things behave in unconventional ways"...but I'm not worried about this one. Download Attachment: goodmanpan1.JPG 26.76 KB Download Attachment: goodmanpan2.JPG 38.26 KB Brian G. Great American Home Engineer [^]

Well the third time was the charm on this one. Today the guy finally found the 10 - 12 nails I saw on day one. Ye Gods... [:-blindfo Brian G. Enough Already [:-crazy]

A footnote to this episode... Among the other items I was asked to check the repairs on (same house) was shingles that had slipped out of place and exposed / uncaulked nails on the roofing. When I looked they had missed a couple of the shingles and all of the nails. I was asked to call the guy and clarify, which I did. Today I was engaged yet again to see if those repairs were satisfactory. This time they got all of the shingles, but only one out of at least ten nails I saw. In the morning I'll pass that along to the client's agent, who'll call the sellers agent, and the poop will encounter the propeller once more...and it'll be all my fault again. Brian G. Bad Guy [!]

Originally posted by RobC The multi colored cap as you call it, is what we call an architectural grade shingle... Actually I called them "multi-layer", my generic term for use with clients, but I'm familiar with the proper term as well. Sorry, force of habit. Now do the macro You're almost there. They don't appear to be layered backwards, so unless the dastardly fiends went against the prevailing winds I'm at a loss. Never seen that before...I'd love to hear the grinding and gnashing of teeth at the realtors offices if I wrote up cap shingles for being laid against the prevailing wind. Hah! [:-banghea [:-dev3] So enough already, spill the beans and put poor Richard out of his misery. I suspect he's unable to fully enjoy his tea until he knows the fate of his fellow Brit. [:-scared] Brian G. "Against the Wind" Is a Favorite Bob Seager Song [:-headpho[:-sing]

Well, two things strike me from that last photo. I don't recall ever seeing multi-layer ridge caps before (unless that's just a trick of coloring to match the others), and I can see thin little hairline cracks in some of those shingles. Brian G. I'm-a Lookin', I Jus' Don't Know If I'm-a Seeing [:-magnify

Originally posted by Jim Katen I just repeat the stuff that Douglas explained to me 10 years ago. Not a bad plan, and strangely similar to my own. [] We want the breaker to be as small as possible and still not be a nuisance when the motor starts. Sounds logical enough, but as you know that doesn't always hold in electrical. I'll post the question over at Mike Holt's forum and see what else folks say. Ah, the plot thickens.... Brian G. Pesky Frickin' Question-Asker From Hell [:-headach [:-dopey]

Originally posted by Jim Katen The requirements for all the stuff on the AC unit's nameplate are in 440.4(A). 110.3(b) requires the electrician to install the system per the nameplate. Is that what you were wondering? Yep. In an air conditioning circuit, the overload protection comes from the compressor motor's thermal protection device. It's built in and it protects both the motor and the conductors. The breaker or fuse is there to protect against ground faults and line-to-line shorts. Okay, one more trip down Erroneous Assumption Alley. I've been told that any size breaker will trip on a ground fault or a line-to-line short (or was that a dead short?). I'm sure I couldn't have that mixed up... but just in case, exactly why does the requirement for a breaker "no larger than" become important? If we sized the breaker to protect the wire at it's rated ampacity, we'd get constant nuisance trips on startup when the motor draws lots of current. That I get. [:-party] Brian G. Man of a Thousand and One Questions [:-batman] (and counting)

Originally posted by monte Pahrump (55 Miles NW)is just like Las Vegas as far as heat... Pahrump? Are you trying to clear your throat Monte? [][:-dev3][] Sorry...couldn't resist that unusual name. [:I] Crawls I do last, when there is one. I'm frequently tired and dirty when I come out, ready to get in the truck and go. Brian G. My Wife Keeps Me in Practice [-crzwom][:-crazy]

I agree with you completely, that's way too shallow of a slope for shingles. That's one of these ridiculous roof designs that's dictated by the way they want the house to look...bad, bad design, IMHO. Brian G. Sufficiently Sloped to Drain, a Fairly Well-Established Principle I'd Say [:-dunce]

Originally posted by Jim Katen No, it doesn't. It just says each grounded (not grounding) conductor must end in its own terminal. The panel instructions I've read say that you can place two and sometimes three grounding conductors under a designated terminal. These would be the equipment grounding conductors of which you speak. Ah-so! That's the way I've understood it and written things up in the past, but with a fine distinction in language like that a second opinion is always good. Gracias, Lord Jim. Brian G. Houston, We Have Confirmation...[:-alien]

Originally posted by Jim Katen 408.21 Grounded Conductor Terminations. Each grounded conductor shall terminate within the panelboard in an individual terminal that is not also used for another conductor. (Brian G.) Question: Is an equipment ground considered a "conductor"? I think it would be hard to consider it anything else. I meant to come back to this. Does this mean that two equipment grounds also cannot be placed in the same terminal (unless they meet the parallel conductor exception), not just two neutrals or neutrals & equipment grounds mixed? Brian G. Man of a Thousand Questions [:-masked]