kurt Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 I've got a customer who is paying me to help figure out his mold problem. Shoe box slab on grade house, but yard drains well. Concrete slab measures "dry". Furnace is fine; combustion gas vents fine. No insulation in sidewalls. Attic insulation & vents marginal. Needs a new roof. Other than that, it's the basic shoebox. Mold like crazy on the exterior walls from condensation. I said insulate, ventilate, new roof, & install 500+cfm bath fans to exhaust moist bathroom air to the exterior. After that, we'd review conditions for progress. Experimental holes cut in drywall in several locations sez that the siding is working, (empty) wall cavity is dry, no mold. The bath fans are in, they are working. The insulation guy comes out & says, "no, don't insulate. That will hold the heat in & cause more condensation". Maybe I'm just tired or bored, but I had no immediate response; I just listened, & said I would post this to the forums I frequent for input. Mold experts, feel free to guide me. What's gonna happen if they insulate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcramer Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Originally posted by kurt I've got a customer who is paying me to help figure out his mold problem. Shoe box slab on grade house, but yard drains well. Concrete slab measures "dry". Furnace is fine; combustion gas vents fine. No insulation in sidewalls. Attic insulation & vents marginal. Needs a new roof. Other than that, it's the basic shoebox. Mold like crazy on the exterior walls from condensation. I said insulate, ventilate, new roof, & install 500+cfm bath fans to exhaust moist bathroom air to the exterior. After that, we'd review conditions for progress. Experimental holes cut in drywall in several locations sez that the siding is working, (empty) wall cavity is dry, no mold. The bath fans are in, they are working. The insulation guy comes out & says, "no, don't insulate. That will hold the heat in & cause more condensation". Maybe I'm just tired or bored, but I had no immediate response; I just listened, & said I would post this to the forums I frequent for input. Mold experts, feel free to guide me. What's gonna happen if they insulate? Put a vapor retarder paint on the interior walls and insulate the wall cavity. That will warm the interior surface of the wall, preventing the condensation from occurring. The moisture is condensing on the wall surface because it's so cold. If you warm it up, you'll eliminate the condensation. But you want the vapor retarder on the wall to keep moisture from moving into the wall cavity and condensing there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 I agree with Mark. They can use a PVA (Polyvinyl Acetate) primer to get a very effective one-coat vapor barrier. I'd recommend using cells over any other type of blown-in. Cells itself is a pretty good inhibitor of air movement and is borate treated. So, it not only won't burn, it won't support fungal growth. Sure, it'll settle some over time, but that can be touched up easily and with a good ventilation protocol (good ceiling fans on 24-hour timers with passive thru-wall vents for intake) they'll have less humidity and a warmer, mold-free home. Oh, wait a minute, I'm opposed to mold testing in any form, so I guess I can't qualify as a mold "expert" and should keep my yap shut. [:-taped] ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Well, I agree w/ both of you. I don't know why, but I just sort of overloaded; the insulation guy shorted my circuits w/his idiotic statements & I was too tired to get into any discussion w/him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Hey Kurt, Are there gutters on the house? Are they clogged? How close are surrounding trees and shrubs? Get that relative humidity down below 70% consistently and it's "game over". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence McCann Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Any humidifier on the furnace and if so are they keeping to high of a humidity seting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Nope, nope, & nope. Sun hits the house all day; no trees. Not surprisingly, the north side gets more condensation & mold, but not excessively more. All the usual suspects check out fine, w/ the exception of insulation & venting. I really think this is a dew point issue due to lack of insulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Yep OT - OF!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Thomas Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Kurt, Did you mention the dryer venting and kitchen exaust vent for the stove? Are they using a kerosene heater, they add a ton of water vapor to the air. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted November 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Originally posted by Bruce Thomas Kurt, Did you mention the dryer venting and kitchen exaust vent for the stove? Are they using a kerosene heater, they add a ton of water vapor to the air. Bruce Nope,nope, & nope. Nothing out of line other than no insulation & vents. I'm mildly competent @ this stuff; I'm a 70's (first energy crisis) veteran & made my chops ala Charlie Wing & "From the Walls In". I asked 'cause I'm paranoid about vapor & mold issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Stojanik Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 I am assuming that the mold is on the interior side of the exterior walls only? If that is the case and the interior wall cavities are dry, then it would seem you may have a dew point situation occurring on the interior wall surfaces. This can be exacerbated by high indoor humidity which basically raises the dew point and allows condensation to form at higher temperatures. Since you are in heating climate, I would think that exterior wall insulation would be an absolute must? The insulation contractor said that adding insulation would ââ¬Åhold the heat inâ⬦â⬠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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