tbird Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Has anyone ever seen this. A 1978 home with two outlets installed in the kitchen countertop facing up. Besides the risk of spills and wet rags, is there anything else I should know about? Image Insert: 38.72 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Tedesco Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Receptacles in Countertops and Similar Work Surfaces in Dwelling Units. Receptacles shall not be installed in a face-up position in countertops or similar work surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Originally posted by tbird ...is there anything else I should know about? Each one is there to hold 4 steak knives vertically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbird Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Originally posted by inspecthistoric Originally posted by tbird ...is there anything else I should know about? Each one is there to hold 4 steak knives vertically. I knew it!! Thanks Joe for the "quote". This is the first time I have ever run into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 http://www.aplussupply.com/lew-floor-boxes/pufp.htm Image Insert: 66.95 KB At $70-$90 each, they ain't cheap. But they'd work. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 That is one very kewl piece of hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Agreed. Never seen one before. I bet they'd look wicked cool installed in walls, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Originally posted by Bain Agreed. Never seen one before. I bet they'd look wicked cool installed in walls, too. Yeah, but for the price, I'd expect them to open and close themselves and play Unchained Melody every time you used one. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodapop Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Originally posted by tbird Has anyone ever seen this. A 1978 home with two outlets installed in the kitchen countertop facing up. Besides the risk of spills and wet rags, is there anything else I should know about? Image Insert: 38.72 KB Violation of NEC 2008 406.4(E) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erby Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Here ya go, Jim. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJDBRG5mnxk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Finger hovering over the delete key on that last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Originally posted by hausdok Finger hovering over the delete key on that last one. Hey, at least it was the Rightous Bros and not some American Idol idiot. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Hey, loved the song; just couldn't stand the lame slide show. OT - OF!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthomas1 Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Best to check with the local AHJ, some will not approve any type of "folding" outlet box on a kitchen counter surface. My favorite solution if you don't mind the look is a Lew Electric "floor nozzle". This one has outlets on both sides: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Originally posted by mthomas1 Best to check with the local AHJ, some will not approve any type of "folding" outlet box on a kitchen counter surface. My favorite solution if you don't mind the look is a Lew Electric "floor nozzle". This one has outlets on both sides: That's a dandy looking thing. As for the AHJ not approving a folding outlet box, he'd be out of line. AHJs and electrical inspectors aren't supposed to substitute their opinion for the code. In Oregon, if an inspector rejects an installation, he's got to list the code section that's the basis for his rejection. (Got to write it right on the inspection form.) - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodapop Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Originally posted by Jim Katen In Oregon, if an inspector rejects an installation, he's got to list the code section that's the basis for his rejection. (Got to write it right on the inspection form.) - Jim Katen, Oregon Must be nice. We get turned down without the beneift of a code reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthomas1 Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 in the case of the flip-up type, the argument is that the "face up" requirement in 406.4(e) is violated as the face of the box is pointed upwards and level with the counter-top. I've read that these: http://www.mockett.com/default.asp?ID=4&action=detail&partCode=PCS39/EE/HW are UL listed for kitchen counters, but I don't find such a listing in the specs on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 That floor nozzle outlet is the slickest thing I've seen, and I've seen it. Michael lives just around the corner from me. The outlet is nothing compared to the kitchen it's in. The kitchen is a work of art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Originally posted by mthomas1 in the case of the flip-up type, the argument is that the "face up" requirement in 406.4(e) is violated as the face of the box is pointed upwards and level with the counter-top. I've read that these: . . . are UL listed for kitchen counters, but I don't find such a listing in the specs on the site. I still say that the inspector is out of line. The NEC doesn't say peep about the direction that the box faces or whether or not it's flush to the countertop. He's substituting his opinion for the code. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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