Neal Lewis Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 There is a known defect with Andersen windows where the gas between the glass leaks out and the glass gets drawn inward (collapses). Apparently the glass units were manufactured by Cardinal. The two pieces of glass can actually touch in the center, which can produce a round outline on the glass. This affects windows from 1988 to 1992. Andersen will repair or replace the glass unit for free; I'm not sure if they'll do it past the twenty year warranty. Is this something you guys have seen frequently or am I just missing it? Andersen's are very common in these parts, and I guess the problem was pretty widespread. I do see distorted glass on many brands of windows, but I'm sure if if it's the collapsed glass effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 I almost never see any problems with Anderson windows and have certaily never seen bowed or collapsed glass. Do you have an article or another source document on this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Lewis Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 http://www.andersenwindows.com/servlet/ ... 6852790945 At the center of this page under Interior Glass is a reference to the issue. Other than that, it's just info I've read from other forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 I have never seen or heard of it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 It's very common with larger insulated units that are made with thin glass. Nearly all Andersen windows are made with single strength glass (1/16" nominal thickness) and rather than step up to double strength for larger windows they use annealed glass instead. The collapsed glass phenomenon will not occur with insulated glass units greater than 1/2" thick overall as it has more to do with square footage and the deflection rate of the glass than it does with the loss of gas. I have seen this phenomenon on brands like Malta, LP, and Andersen. The first two no longer make wood windows, go figure. There was an even scarier problem in the late 80's with Cardinal low E units that was the result of a loss of argon that caused the insulated glass units to implode. The sealant between the glass and spacer system allowed argon molecules to pass through it, and without a breach in the seal nothing could get in to replace it, slowly building a vacuum that would eventually break the interior pane of glass. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windasman Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It's very common with larger insulated units that are made with thin glass. Nearly all Andersen windows are made with single strength glass (1/16" nominal thickness) and rather than step up to double strength for larger windows they use annealed glass instead. The collapsed glass phenomenon will not occur with insulated glass units greater than 1/2" thick overall as it has more to do with square footage and the deflection rate of the glass than it does with the loss of gas. I have seen this phenomenon on brands like Malta, LP, and Andersen. The first two no longer make wood windows, go figure. There was an even scarier problem in the late 80's with Cardinal low E units that was the result of a loss of argon that caused the insulated glass units to implode. The sealant between the glass and spacer system allowed argon molecules to pass through it, and without a breach in the seal nothing could get in to replace it, slowly building a vacuum that would eventually break the interior pane of glass. Tom Collapsed glass was very common in the late 80s to early 90s on major manufacturers(as most used the same glass technology at the time), and still happens to many lower-end windows. I have performed probably 1000s of [unit]repairs so far, and it works well over 90% of the time. If for some reason it doesn't fully work, Andersen will provide replacement glass[or entire sash, depending on unit] while the unit is still under warranty. The true test of a good window manufacturer is not one that has no problems(they all do), but whether they will own up and fix those problems! [:-monkeyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It's very common with larger insulated units that are made with thin glass. Nearly all Andersen windows are made with single strength glass (1/16" nominal thickness) and rather than step up to double strength for larger windows they use annealed glass instead. The collapsed glass phenomenon will not occur with insulated glass units greater than 1/2" thick overall as it has more to do with square footage and the deflection rate of the glass than it does with the loss of gas. I have seen this phenomenon on brands like Malta, LP, and Andersen. The first two no longer make wood windows, go figure. There was an even scarier problem in the late 80's with Cardinal low E units that was the result of a loss of argon that caused the insulated glass units to implode. The sealant between the glass and spacer system allowed argon molecules to pass through it, and without a breach in the seal nothing could get in to replace it, slowly building a vacuum that would eventually break the interior pane of glass. Tom You know more about windows than anyone I've ever encountered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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