hausdok Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Do you think that the entire profession would benefit from the adoption of a single standard of care for the profession similar to the commercial inspections standard, ASTM E2018-01 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Mike, any chance you could post that standard for the masses to peruse? Brian G. Noted Peruser [:-magnify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 I doubt that it would be minimalist; anyone that has reviewed E2018 knows that it is pretty intense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Thomas Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 A single standard would make my life alot easier and I suspect a lot of other folks too. Like Mike I just want to know who's writing it. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n/a23 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 My objection to a "single standard" centers on the fact that, once you remove the variables associated with regionality, what is left to standardize would probably be of little or no benefit to the profession. I suppose this discussion is as old as the Federalist Papers, when Hamilton, Madison and Jay were arguing for a strong federal set of laws in opposition to the various state laws, back in the 1780's. How can inspections, and the people who perform them, all comply with a single standard when municipalities and states cannot decide on which set of codes to enforce (if any)? I support state licensing as a means for an area to establish those standards that are more relevant to it. What do you guys think? Am I full of baloney (spell check says "bologna") on this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Everyone should review E2018 before wondering how to standardize inspection standards; it is brilliant. Doofus home inspectors and their reluctance/resistance to standardization is one of the reasons our profession wallows in mediocrity. I understand the problems associated w/ different code systems in different locales, but codes aren't complicated & well written standards provide for this sort of perceived problem. As a group, we are worse than the contractors we constantly malign; we just can't imagine something bigger than ourselves & what we think is right. Even if the standard is not up to what someone thinks is adequate, we can always exceed standards, just like most of us in this little forum exceed the ASHI standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul MacLean Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 With Texas SOP we already have a uniform inspection standard statewide that is not that different from the ASHI SOP. Depending on the inspector, it can be very minimalist or very thorough. I'm not sure I would support a very detailed standard. I'm not familiar with the ASTM commercial standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I can't post it without violating copyrights, but it is quite simple, yet elegant. Basically, check out the primary systems & components in an organized manner. There is as much regarding the report as w/what should be inspected, things the inspector should describe, etc. Very common sense sort of stuff; nothing that anyone would, or could, disagree with. If a residential standard was done similar to this, I'd be quite happy w/it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Is it possible to post a link to it? Brian G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 No; you have to buy it from ASTM for about $45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Ouch. Brian G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Originally posted by hausdok Hi, You can also get it in some bookstores. Last year during a NAHI conference in Portland, OR, Douglas Hansen, Brian Hannigan and I checked out some of the bookstores in downtown Portland. I saw that standard for sale in one. I don't remember which one, but Jim Katen might know. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike There are two places out here: http://www.buildingtechbooks.com/ http://www.powells.com/technicalbooks But, if you're going to buy it, just get it from the ASTM site. You can pay by credit card and download the PDF file in minutes. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Knight Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 You can download a copy of the ASTM standard E2018 at the ASTM website www.astm.org, but it will cost you $44. The form can be downloaded in PDF format and includes a license agreement to allow you to print the document for inclussion in inspection reports. The primary purpose of the Standard is to define a level of due diligence for lending institutions. Standard and Poors also has a published guide. The Standard and Poors guide requires the inspection to be performed by a licensed engineer. You can down load a copy of the Standard and Poors guide at their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scdowns Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Has anyone ever heard of "The Constitution of the United States"? The mission statement in the beginning about being a human being with liberty. Well, it also holds true that based on the prelude, sit several Amendments and Rights. So, how about this... our prestigous industry, Home Inspections, have a US/I Standard of Practice and Code of Ethic. From there, we can look at the regions and amend! By the way, New York is a very different place than Spokane... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullwinkle Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Standards within an industry are not necessarily a bad thing. Will there be Government intervention as to what those standards might eventually be? hard to say, trying to fathom the logistical nightmare of implementation and who or which organization will step forward and take ultimate responsibility for it is probably the biggest hurtle. Reading prior post and talk of the Constitution and what little I know of it I know this much, each individual state is self governing and applies its own laws and regulations as long as they are within the limits of the Constitution and U.S. Code. As a Real Estate Appraiser and Home Inspector ( yes I can separate the two) I 've found that between the Federal regulations and those of the State of New York regarding Real Rroperty they keep us honest. True there are those that skirt the edge but not for long or with out consequence. Am I for National Standard? couldn't hurt. Will there be one? probably not in my life time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradd Judd Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Do we want uniformity, absolutely. However one writer brings up a valid point: Different municipalities, townships, and counties all have their little codes and regulations set forth by their own legislative bodies. I would love to just use the ICC IRC whenever I'm in Cook, Mchenery, Lake or Kane counties. However, If I,m in Lincoln Park,Cook County, I have to be sure the automatic door closer, (Garage door into the house) is mounted and closing the door fully. If I'm in Sleepy Hollow, Kane County, (Yes hausdak, I remember the one in NY) on all new home construction the township requires sprinkler systems installed on all floors since 2002. I don't think the ICC or the ASTM had deluge style fire suppression systems in mind for the common home. On another note, my kids somtime throw balls and frisbie's in the house. I would hate to have the sprinkler sensors triggered inadvertantly........ So whats the answer, Sounds good to me but how do we get everyone on the same page, therin lies the problem. [^] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garcha Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 If any of you guys really think the Feds can create an organized system that reflects the special needs of all the different areas nationwide, your nuts. I would prefer to have state licensing and consumer awareness marketing done as it is by ASHI and NAHI etc and let the consumer decide. Nothing is perfect but to let the Government get it's mits on something this complex is just asking for trouble. I know some of us don't want to admit it but even members of a great organization like ASHI screw inspections and not because they don't know the work, or have an Iron SOP, but because they have no personal ethics, and that is covered by consumer law. So it's not a matter of more law' it's a matter of enforcing the laws already on the books. If I'm a kook somebody straighten me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonTx Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Brian, Did you ever get a copy of ASTM E2018? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Originally posted by Donald Lawson Did you ever get a copy of ASTM E2018? For $45 bucks? Have you been drinking again Donald? [:-drunk] Brian G. Po Boy (When one is "po" they can't even afford the last two letters) [:-indiffe [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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