Haubeil Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I've read related forums and comment here on TIJ stating the exterior temperature was too cold to test an air conditioner unit. ...why? What exterior ambient temperature is the cut-off for acceptable testing? ...is there a default comment to use? I always heard the differential for air conditioner & heat pump units was ~30 degress. ...hence a heat pump's heat funciton is not efficient in the colder climate. Although, I've seen some heat pumps running while the exterior temperature was ~5 degrees. Is the ~30 differential a myth? ...because at 5 degrees, that would only generate 35 degree heat! Thanks in advance, Haubeil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Jeff Mr., Your question is quite complex because inspectors look at new, old, integrated, stand alone, etc units. We use 60 degrees during the past 24hour period as our default. "The outside temp was below 60degrees during the preceding 24hrs or at the time of inspection. It was too cold to safely and effectively inspect the system." We just let it go at that. In our region a non-functional A/C is one of the most accurately disclosed defects by sellers. Never had a call back for A/C in the last 20yrs. If you are unsure about the mechanics of an A/C system, do a little reading or search the archives here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haubeil Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I thought I understood the physics behind it, until I seen several heat pump units operating during our recent COLD spell(<5 degrees). ...now I second guess it. I need to look for some causal reading material ! - Haubeil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 On the average a heat pump stops providing noticeable heat when the outside temperature is in the 30 to 40 degree range, this is from my experience with them. After this point you need to switch the emergency or supplemental part of the unit on, then it functions as a conventional heating system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEuriech Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 See "Below 65 degrees" thread from Aug 05. https://inspectorsjournal.com/forum/top ... IC_ID=2095 Jeff Euriech Peoria Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carle3 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 The fear in testing an air conditioner in temperture below 60 degrees is that the coolant which is suppose to be in a gasoues state may have changed to a fluid state. Since a compressor is meant to compress a gas tryng to push a fluid through it can blow the compressor head. Most units have case heaters to solve this but some do not so we default to the lowest common denomenator and write them up as not inspected. One last thing, even if one would test the unit, the cooling of 65 degree air at 35% humidity is not going to tell one a whole lot about the its operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector57 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Bryant A/C says not to use their product below 55 degrees unless specially equiped (i.e. crakcase heater) Other manufacturers use different cut off temperatures, but 60 degrees is a pretty safe outdoor temp. As was said above, A/C units which are not designed for cold weather operation can be SEVERLY damaged when liquid is drawn into the compressor, since liquids do not easily compress (think hydrallic brakes). The differential you speak of is the temperature differential INSIDE the house not the outside. Typical cooling differential is 15 degrees, 75 degree return air less 15 degrees equals 60 degree supply temperature coming out of the air vents. Heat pump mode yeilds more differential at design temperatures 70 degree return air PLUS 20 degrees equals 90 degrees supply coming out of the vents. Cold outside temperatures lower the amount of available heat to pump inside. Just like pumping water up a hill, the higher the hill, the more energy it takes. Also, there is the reduction of the amount of time the unit can run since the unit will spend ever increasing amounts of time and energy in the defrost cycle when the outdoor coils fall below freezing. Most heat pumps will produce more heat than they consume in energy down into the low twenties, but only about half the amount available at say 40 degrees, which is precisly the time the house needs the most heat. Systems installed where temperatures in the teens or below will usually have an outdoor thermostat to shut down the outdoor unit when it gets really cold. There is usually no need to switch to Emergency heat since a properly installed system will automatically bring on the supplemental heat as needed when the T-stat falls behind 2-6 degrees below the t-stat setting. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Originally posted by carle3 One last thing, even if one would test the unit, the cooling of 65 degree air at 35% humidity is not going to tell one a whole lot about the its operation. I also question whether the results would be meaningful at all. I would often be sucking cool air across a heat exchanger and ductwork that were in heating use until I got there. Brian G. Not Interested in Buying Compressors [:-weepn] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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