Bain Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 A regular client who rehabs POSs for profit had me look at a 110-year-old candidate today. Check out the photos of the concave roof. Water is intended to be directed toward the lone, undersized scupper on the upper, rear portion of the roof, and then trickle off of the lower tier. As you can see, though, none of the surfaces contain proper slopes. Water is seeping through the membrane seams, and also through the outer-periphery metal flashings. The soffits are being destroyed, but worse, water is seeping behind the stucco and eroding it. The dark areas within the second-to-last photo are layers of paint over previous repairs, but they're also wicked damp due to the moisture penetrating the stucco and trickling down the exterior of the house. Has anyone seen this configuration before? And does anyone have a clue how it could be remedied without spending a fortune? Download Attachment: Rooftemp1.jpg 62.32 KB Download Attachment: Rooftemp2.jpg 50.46 KB Download Attachment: Rooftemp3.jpg 46.4 KB Download Attachment: Rooftemp4.jpg 44.9 KB Download Attachment: RoofTemp5.jpg 52.37 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hi, Yeah, I've had one that was literally sloped with a 5:12 pitch from the parapet to the center on all four sides, where a big copper catch basin gathered the water and then drained down through the center of the house via a cast iron waste stack and from there to the sewer. (Older house in a portion of town where there aren't any storm sewers in the street and gutters are connected to the city sewer.) Doing the attic was a royal pain because it was like working my way through the longest kneewall attic in the world. Attic was insulated with sawdust too! How to fix without spending a fortune? Nope, I got nothin'. I'm thinking viel Geld. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonTx Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 A 10 cent book of matches...[:-jump] Sorry, but that's about the best cheap fix I could think of. Gonna cost some $$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 viel Geld? I don't know what it means but I'm thinking I want to. There was no attic access in the joint described. But there appeared to be a few feet of airspace between the ceiling joists and rafters. I'd have loved to've had a look at what was beneath the membrane. The ceiling beneath the chimney was damp mush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 viel = much, many, a lot (das)Geld = Money Das wird viel Geld kosten! - That's gonna cost a lotta money! OT - OF!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 That's one I'll steal, Mike. Thanks for the translation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Oy! John my friend, please downsize your photos to 100kb or less. Those are way more than the screen can hold. Brian G. On Low-Grade DSL [:-indiffe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Viel Geld. No cheap way outta this one. I hate interior drain roofing systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Originally posted by Brian G. Oy! John my friend, please downsize your photos to 100kb or less. Those are way more than the screen can hold. Brian G. On Low-Grade DSL [:-indiffe Don't bother John. I took care of it. OT - OF!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Originally posted by kurt I hate interior drain roofing systems. Amen. Plain ole sloped-to-drain is a principle that cannot fail easily, since gravity never takes a second off. Love those big overhangs. Prarie, one of my favorites. Brian G. Prarie Is Uptown [:-tophat] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 At the beginning of my HI career, I inspected several of that style in a neighborhood built in the late 30s. Very unusual for this region. Often had to wear my Wellies to inspect them. I always called them elevated ponds and told them to build a real roof. 20 years later, almost all have shingled hipped roofs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 That was my advice to the buyer, Bill. It was also the best way to address the K and T wiring above the second-floor ceiling. But the cost is prohibitive since she wants to resell the house in a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Hockstein Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I agree it would be best to build a sloped roof over the existing roof. If aesthetics or zoning restricts this option, they can consider a taper insulation roof system with exterior gutters or scuppers (this option will most likely be more costly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jseddy Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Honestly, I'd like to see the roof dm'd and replaced rather than built over. It's hard to tell what lies under that wet skin. Bite the bullet, redo the roof and avoid any problems associated with it in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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