Brian G

Well, everyone has a right to their point of view, but I don't think all the specious reasoning is on one side here. I've never heard anyone claim GFCI's never nuisance trip before this thread. I suppose that's technically and theoretically true, when the device isn't defective or suffering some other internal problem, but I've seen them trip while I was standing in a bathroom writing notes, not even touching anything. Who knows why? If I lose everything in my freezer because the GFCI had an internal defect, will I care that it didn't technically nuisnace trip? Why doesn't it matter that there's no apparent evidence of these exceptions actually being a problem? Those exceptions have been in place a long time; where are the injuries? Where are the deaths these changes are gonna save us from in the future? And if motorized components like door openers should be on a GFCI so they can't accidentally electrocute someone, then surely all circuits feeding a motorized component should be GFCI protected for the same reason (?). I think you fellas should walk that talk. Plug your refrigerators, freezers, and all other appliances in GFCI's, then I'll take your position more seriously. We're honest men; let me know when you've done that, and I promise to recommend GFCI's everywhere the change calls for. Until then, I feel I can't recommend something I certainly wouldn't do myself. Brian G. Speaking Only For Myself [:-alien]

Simple enough. Thanks John. Brian G. Linkin' Fool! [:-dopey]

If you'll post an email address, I'm sure some of our regulars will be willing to send you theirs. Erby's right though, they may not be well-suited to your state or area. Brian G. I Hereby Disclaim Everything, Twice Over [^]

So Mike, did you get it yet? [?] Brian G. Green With Monitor Envy [:-alien]

Originally posted by exploreparadise2 Perhaps the forum moderator should allow regular discussions on religion and politics, but ban any talk on inspector organizations. [][:-dev3][:-bouncy][:-dopey][}][:-hspin][:-slaphap Brian G. Love It [:-love]

Classic political slight-of-hand. It passed, and all who "needed" to be seen voting for it were, but it promptly went off to die quietly in a committee that won't even hear it. It's dead for now, but odds are it ain't over. Did you notice the religious groups that voiced opposition to the bill? All believers aren't zealots. Brian G. Until The Next Time.... [:-wiltel]

It isn't part of the service equipment, even 4" away. You can find discussion of this exact issue in the Electrical Forum, about 3 or 4 pages back, under the topic heading "distance rule with sub-panels?". I would post a link, but all I get is the generic TIJ address when I'm there. Brian G. Linkless Man [:-masked]

I thought there was one, but the IRC says nothing about it. I've seen 'em down at 5 feet or less; hardly fit for kids. Brian G. Stooping in the Shower Sucks [:-thumbd]

Originally posted by AHI Sometimes being informed just sucks you know. What do they say, ignorance is bliss? There's an old saying that the difference between an optimist and a pessimist is that the pessimist is usually better informed. [8] [] Brian G. Nobody Said It Was Easy [:-crazy]

Douglas Hansen says this runs back to at least the 1920's. It's not new at all. Brian G. Neither Is Ignoring the Rules []

I also feel science is objective, though some try to use it to support predetermined arguements. In the end those people usually wind up discredited, unless they happen to be right and can produce the evidence to back it up. A law like this is chaos in the making. Aside from undermining centuries of serious scientific pursuit, it simply cannot hope function in a society that includes hundreds, if not thousands, of religions. It would mean allowing "alternative" answers from even the farthest fringe cults, no matter how bizzare or ignorant they were. We could reach a point where no answer could be called simply "wrong". And if this is allowed in science classes, how long would it be before it spread to other classes (like history)? How about bringing that idea right on up the ladder into the working world? Why do things the way your employers want, if your beliefs call for an "alternative" method? The main target here is, of course, evolution. The sponsors of this bill want creationism to be legitimized, if not taught, by the schools. Creationism, right or wrong, is not science; it's religion. Teach science in school, and religion at home. In the end the kid is going to make up his or her own mind anyway, once grown and out of the house. Here are my observations on theories, in a nut shell. I'm not spitting, this is what I've seen happen. If the evidence doesn't support the theory, science rejects the theory. If the evidence doesn't support the theory, religion rejects the evidence. Brian G. Got a Test Today? Better Know Your Alternative Answers! [:-boggled

January and February stunk; March and April have been much better. Sorry to hear about your "ancle" (it's "ankle" ya redneck! []). Brian G. The Ancle Is Part of the Laig [:-slaphap

Originally posted by charlieb A snack. In Columbus MS or LA Hush yo' mouth. My late Grandmother Goodman's squirrel dumplings were enough to make your tongue beat your brains out in blind ecstasy. [] Brian G. Cook 3 Meals a Day For 80-Odd Years, You Learn a Thing or Two [:-thumbu]

Originally posted by ozofprev People had their say and they did it politely and with humor (except that Jimmy dude - what a jerk). He can't help it. He's from Boston. [:-dev3] Brian G. Like Faulting a Dog for Barking []

Originally posted by Jim Katen $5,000 fine in Oregon. No problem. Just figure it into the job. [] It doesn't matter much now, but when I was starting out I really could have used some of that work. It's a small market, and I was tagged a deal-killer before I had inspections in the double digits. NAHI recognizes that problem for the small market guys, and allows repairs with full disclosure (last I knew). Honest people can do honest business in any direction, though I also understand the urge to restrict the sleaze elements. Brian G. Perfect Answers Are Lacking [8]

Originally posted by kurt Lately, I've been breaking the law and violating the SOP of one or more perfeshinal home inspektor societies. I fix the screwed up places I inspect. Don't you realize that automatically makes you an unethical sleaze-bag, sure to lie about problems to make more money? Tisk-tisk. [] If I did that here I would be breaking the law, and risking my right to work in HI. [:-indiffe Brian G. Home Inspectors; The Uniquely Untrustworthy Profession? [:-boggled

I hear you John, the problem is that most people are either here or there. Many are interested in persuading; few are interested in being persuaded. Brian G. Human Nature at Work [:-banghea

Originally posted by AHI In the article they mention the material being tested on as theory. Theory is not fact. It gets a lot more complicated than that. We laymen normally take a theory to be an idea that has no proof behind it (at least yet). The word "theory" as used in science means a particular body of ideas, rules, etc. regarding a specific subject. A great deal of science is called "theory", but is hard fact in practice; the parts that have been empirically proven. Gravity is a theory. These theories are subject to correction, minor or great, and expansion as science builds knowledge. So while they aren't always treated as quite "carved in stone", they can accurately describe reality just the same. The example mentioned in the article was the age of the earth. The sum of all relevent sciences on the subject has it at something like 4 1/2 billion years. The most popular religion in this country puts it about 6,000 years. Helluva gap in theories. Science may eventually find they're off some one way or the other, but not that much. These really are bad topics for a peaceful board. Brian G. "The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go." Pope Something-or-Other (can't remember which one) [:-magnify

I think it's a badly misguided change. If they wanted to improve the safety of outlets in garages they should have required a dedicated single outlet for each door opener, without the GFCI protection. Garage door openers do not need GFCI protection. Then do the same for dedicated appliance outlets, and require one of those stickers saying "Not GFCI protected". Here in one of the poorest part of America, where freezers in garages and carports are still fairly common, I will not recommend putting GFCI protection on an outlet a freezer will be plugged into. That's nuts, if you have anything in the freezer. I can't help wondering if there was any hard evidence offered that the rules as they were, for lo those many years they stood, had led to any known deaths or serious injuries. I'll bet if there were any at all, they were very few and far between. I'm dumbfounded how they can go over the wall on stuff like this, yet continue to allow shoddy practices like back-wiring devices. Brian G. When Conforming Makes No Sense, I'm a Non-Conformist [:-mohawk]

Not much. The vent pipe is probably short by one requirement or another, but that is the kind of pipe flashing used on metal roofs. I don't care for 'em, but that's what they use. Unless the appliance the vent pipe serves is pretty close by, I wouldn't be very concerned about the rubber flashing either. I've had one that way for 8 years now (my gas furnace is in the attic). The vent pipe is a good 10 feet or more long, and I've never found the vent pipe to be above warm more than 5 feet from the unit. If you use the normal metal flashing you have to caulk the hell of it to keep it from leaking, so what's the real difference? Brian G. Other Are Sure to Differ [8]

It's tiring how often I find the siding, whatever it is, brought right down onto the roof. I think it's a combination of silly-arse clients complaining about seeing it, and half-competent contractors not insisting on what's right (if they know). This is one of those things I write up all the time that never gets fixed. Brian G. So It Goes [:-indiffe

The few bare spots look like steel, but could also be gray primer (why paint copper?). That break seems to be a welded or soldered seam that didn't hold together for some reason, which doesn't ruler out steel or copper. Whatever the material is there's a problem, so I wouldn't let 'em make it all about which stuff the gutter is made of. It needs work. Brian G. The Problem Is the Point [:-magnify

Originally posted by inspecthistoric Looks like brickface. Who you calling brickface? [:-irked][] Brian G. "Kibbel" Is Dutch for "He Who Knows Much Obscure Stuff" [^]

Richard, no PM in my box. Anybody else? Brian G. Take Your Time, Interest Is Accruing []

Heck Mike, just post the address and save time. And if my check isn't good, just ask for another. [] Brian G. I Got a Whole Book of 'Em [^]