Brian G

Originally posted by thekctermite The interior panel is a subpanel in this case, and the neutrals should be floated and there should not be any bonding. Bonding at a subpanel presents a hazard and is never acceptable. I don't know if you wrote that exactly as you meant to, but there is bonding in a sub panel. The enclosure gets bonded to the equipment ground bar. Brian G. Bonding....Electrical Bonding [:-tophat][-crzwom]

Originally posted by kurt ..... a bunch of nuts running around ignoring fundamental aspects of building science and construction technologies and imagining their magic tools can see through walls and find the hidden defects. That's a really, really dangerous approach to this business. I couldn't agree more. There's a relatively new guy here who goes around telling realtors and clients he can "see through the walls" with his IR camera. What a distortion. I await his inevitable professional demise with both amusement and disgust. Brian G. Not If, Only When [:-skull]

Originally posted by Brad Manor "It rubs the lotion on its skin... it does this every time its told to or it gets the hose......" [:-slaphap[:-tong2][][:-clown][}][:-jester] Brian G. Any Sign of "Precious" Down There? [:-doggy]

I thought Ole Miss played well too, barely nipped by a field goal at the end. Wake Forest got the win, but didn't look like a Top 25 team to me. Washington got screwed. I can't believe any real college football fan wants an excessive celebration call on something like that. Are they not allowed to be excited at all anymore? Booooooooo! [:-thumbd] MS State bounced back well against a lesser opponent, but we still don't really know what we have. Soon...... [:-magnify Arkansas had to storm back to squeak out a win against UL Monroe, but a W is a W right now. And to the surprise of no one who's hung around here through a football season, I agree with Tim about OSU. That was a very weak showing against a vastly inferior team. USC's gonna kill 'em. [xx(] Brian G. Tis the Season [:-footbal[:-fight]

When we built in 1999 we changed a small formal dining room into a reasonably-sized office with a 1/2 bath during the planning stages. I have little use for a formal dining room, and the 1/2 bath was great while I had a wife and a daughter in the house. [:-crazy] However, I do have to share my cookies with a fat Basset every night. Image Insert: 115 KB Brian G. Iced Oatmeal, Chips Ahoy with White Fudge Chunks, and Deluxe Grahams []

That's a very fortunate catch John. Your client's gonna love you. [:-love] Note to self: check the garbage when stuff looks "just replaced"; might get lucky. [:-graduat Brian G. I'll Pretend I'm a Reporter for the National Enquirer [:-magnify[]

MS State did everything they had to do to lose that game. Special teams were a nightmare. Give Croom a chunk of the blame too, for not putting the far better passing quarterback out there in the 4th quarter, when they needed to pass to come from behind. Dumb. Yeah, he had three interceptions, but only one was on him. For some reason, State never wins the first game anymore. I thought the Illinois offense played well in bursts, but not enough consistency or defense to take down Mizzou. Bama looked good. Their QB played better than I've ever seen him do, and they were swarming Clemson all night on D. Clemson is #9 in the country? Please. Kentucky showed well today, against a rebuilding Louisville team, but we won't know what they have until the schedule tightens up. Think Hawaii has had enough SEC football to last it for a while? Florida shook off a rusty first quarter and torn the Warriors a new one. I'll be pulling hard for Tennessee tomorrow night against UCLA. Go Vols! Brian G. Praise the Lord and Pass the Remote, It's Football Season Again!!! [:-footbal[:-jump2][:-party]

I use one on every job, because water pressure can vary wildly around here. I've had readings everywhere from 25 - 120 PSI. I bought a cheapo gauge from somewhere or other, but it still works fine. I did one today where the pressure was just over 75 psi, but the flow was terrible. I'm sure the client will be interested in finding out what the problem is. Brian G. Pressure, Pressure, Pressure [:-crazy]

Originally posted by Bain I don't understand what you're saying, Brian. Are you agreeing with what I was told, or not? What Jim said. Just having a GEC doesn't mean it can be wired with only three conductors. It has to have that whether the neutrals and grounds get seperated or not. By the way, you can have a seperate GEC on a sub panel in the same building, as long as it's bonded to the grounding system of the service equipment, but it isn't required. Brian G. The GEC of the SE Required By the NEC Can be a Catastrophe As You Can Clearly See (ode to Jesse Jackson) []

In that situation, under the previous codes, you also have to ask yourself if there are any "continuous metallic pathways" between the two buildings (TV or phone cables, metal fences, rebar, metal plumbing pipes, you name it). If so, it must be wired as a sub panel. It has to have its own GEC either way. Brian G. The Rules Are Whatever the Rulemakers Say They Are (Now) [:-boggled

I have to agree, it sure looks like it. Sound the alarm. Brian G. Invasion of the Little White Critters That Can't Stand Sunlight [:-alien]

An attorney, a builder, four of his employees, and two appraisers....and that probably won't be the end of it. Lock their butts up. Gee, I wonder who's pocket all that money will really come out of in the end. [:-weepn] Brian G. I'm Guessing Joe Taxpayer [:-irked]

Weird. I definitely haven't seen one of those before. It only makes sense to me for locations where you might have trouble reading the meter straight on, but then there are the required clearances for that sort of thing. Very odd. Brian G. Always Something New [:-magnify

In the more narrative reports I've done, I used observation (what I found), recommendation (what you should do about it), and sometimes comment (other stuff I want you to know, that really isn't an observation or a recommendation). Brian G. Everyone Is Different [:-alien]

41 out of 50, but I wouldn't say some of the things they have as correct, even if I knew they were "wrong". I won't spoil it for anyone else, but there are some fairly obscure references in there too. I freely confess to never having had a full grip on the many variations of " he and me", "she and I", etc. I prefer to simply avoid using them. Brian G. My English Needs Work, But My Redneck is Perfect [^]

Originally posted by Richard Moore So...I assume that ductwork is split into supply and return air. Correct. Filter(s) at the interior return grills or is that the reason for the odd "tent" shape? Correct again about the typical filter location, but I have no idea what that tent shape is. Is that enough exposed ductwork to be concerned about insulation or is it double-walled? Around here it would just be insulated inside. I'm sure that may vary in other regions. One last question and I promise to shut up...Does that lower section also contain the emergency heat strips? I've not seen a two-tiered unit before, but normally there would be no emergency heat strips in a gas unit. Brian G. Strip Heat - When the Dancer Is Really Fine [-crzwom][:-dev3]

Down here we just call 'em "package units". They can be heat pumps or gas heat with AC. They're actually getting a little more popular these days, because all the noise is outside. Brian G. One-Stop HVAC Inspecting [:-magnify

Originally posted by sleuth255 408.54 Maximum Number of Overcurrent Devices. A panelboard shall be provided with physical means to prevent the installation of more overcurrent devices that that for which the panelboard was designed, rated, and listed. For the purposes of this section, a 2-pole circuit breaker or fusible switch shall be considered two overcurrent devices; a 3-pole circuit breaker or fusible switch shall be considered three overcurrent devices. Ah-so. That would be what I was referring to when I said: "Manufacturers are supposed to make these various "expansion" type breakers so they can only be installed in designated locations, but most can be easily defeated and the one in this case, the Square D QO-2020, will plug in anywhere on a Square D panel. The original idea was to be able to get 40 circuits out of almost any 200 amp panel; a 20 circuit would take 'em everywhere; a 30 circuit would allow 10 extras, etc." With the exception of the Cutler Hammer, they never intended for anyone to put more than 40 OCD's in one 200 amp panel. Sooo... while it has 37 circuits, this panel also has 46 overcurrent devices in it. I think we have to assume they would count the 2020's as two since they count double poles as two, so I agree. I guess if Square-D lists a maximum number of breakers as part of the rating then you would need to compare that to see if the panel needs to be written up. I bet there isn't such a spec though or you would think that the construction of the panel itself would be a violation of 408.54. Well, like I said before, many of those "physical means to prevent", aka "designated spaces", are poorly designed and easily defeated. It would be interesting though, if a manufacturer actually had one number for maximum circuits (counting double poles as one circuit per usual), but another for maximum OCD's. There's a few other nit-picky things that would bug me about this panel though. For example, shouldn't those white wires on the bottom 2-pole breakers be coded hot? By code, sure. Brian G. Oh What a Tangled Web They Weave [:-boggled

What a moron. He actually created more work for himself than if he had simply extended the run to just inside the rafters, and brought it back in at the end where needed. If that were my house he'd pay to fix that or see me in court. Jeez. [:-dunce] Brian G. Revoke That Man's Sawzall Privileges [:-crazy]

If, as the article contends, an inspector would be liable both for an infinte period and for any hidden problems, that's an impossible situation. It's totally unfair and generally absurd. If a law like that passed here, I'd be looking for another line of work. Brian G. Les, Get In There & Fix It []

Ditto. If we could get perfect poetic justice, everyone who threw gas on the fire would burn down with the market and be left with ashes. Greed is not pitiable. But of course, some innocent parties will be hurt, and some guilty parties will slither away unharmed. Not much poetic justice in this life. [8] Brian G. See This Thread Again in 5 - 10 Years (and again, and again, and...) [:-crazy]

I get the same effect by simply planning a project. Works almost every time. [:-headach Brian G. Unless It's a Project I Don't Really Want to Do [-crzwom][:-indiffe

Originally posted by inspecthistoric We're really startin' to miss Jim K., particularly in the electrical forum. Amen. Anybody heard from (or about) Lord Jim lately? Brian G. The Inmates Are Running the Electrical Asylum [:-boggled

Welcome into the light Troy. I've always learned more by participating, and I'm sure you will too. Ask away. Brian G. Curiousity May Have Killed the Cat, But It Made the HI Smarter [:-graduat

Originally posted by sleuth255 ummm I count 37 circuits in that panel. If its rated for 40 isn't it ok from a number of circuits allowed perspective? I never counted them, I just let my feeble brain add the 40 & the 6 Ed mentioned, but danged if you aren't right. I count 37 as well. Duh!!! [:-paperba Good catch Kevin. [:-thumbu] Brian G. Count First, Post Later [:-dunce]