hausdok Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Got a question here for the brethren that I've never run into before. Are there any special safety requirements for a water feature with a koe pond similar to what's required for a swimming pool. In 19 years I've inspected dozens of homes that had those things; but, since they are outside the scope of an inspection, I'd never really thought about safety aspects. The clients yesterday asked me specifically whether there was a need for a fence around the thing and I couldn't answer the question because I've never bothered to read into them. This $2M= home one had a cascading waterfall dropping into a koi pond that was about 30 feet long, 8 feet wide and 3ft. deep. One steps out of the dinette or the kitchen to a raised and covered patio and walks 20 ft. to the end of the covered part and then steps down to another patio. Beyond the edge of the second patio there is a drop off to the koi pond from the patio. Click to Enlarge 107.95 KB Click to Enlarge 56.13 KB I probably should have looked into this kind of thing ages ago but I hadn't and I suppose I looked like an idiot for now knowing. I shrugged my shoulders and said, "Dunno. It's outside the scope of what I do and nobody has ever asked the question so I've never researched it. Let me look into it and I'll get back to you." So, what gives? ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'd probably say something like "My license requires me to cite safety concerns. I suppose the water feature could be one. I don't know. If you have concerns regarding safety aspects of the water feature, talk to the designer and installer; they would know better than me." I'd put it in the "?" category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Fabry Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 When the code talks about swimming pools, it starts of with the phrase 'intended for swimming or bathing'... Koi ponds, man made and natural ponds, ditches, culverts etc are all exempt from safety requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEuriech Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The state and city requirements here say, "A swimming pool, or other contained body of water that contains water eighteen inches or more in depth at any point and that is wider than eight feet at any point and is intended for swimming, shall be protected by an enclosure surrounding the pool area." The key words are, "intended for swimming." A koe pond is not intended for swimming or bathing and would not be required to be protected. However, I feel that a small child can just as easily fall into a koe pond and drown as in a swimming pool. I always recommend a barrier for any water over 18 inches deep for increased safety reasons. So far, all buyers have been in agreement with me. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjr6550 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I believe local code here is that a fence is required for any swimming pool deeper than 24 inches. Based on that, a would say a 3-feet deep pond is a hazard. The Koi ponds I see are usually about a foot or so deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 How high is dropoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi Jim, The surface of the water is about a foot below the surface of the adjacent patio slab. OT - OF!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 It's a koi pond. It's intended for fish. Fish swim, so it's intended for swimming. There should be 24 hour life guard service. Short of ground fault protection for the equipment and lighting circuits, it doesn't need any safeguards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 This is where I think our gig turns into the wiener patrol.....reporting on manmade fake waterfalls and reflecting ponds as hazards.....Pogo had it right. We should put in our report......."It's a ****ing pond; don't fall in it. Take responsibility for chrissakes!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Well, I thank you all for your responses but I think that some folks are going off the rails. I didn't ask for a declaration of war against the wieners. I didn't inspect the thing and it didn't go in the report, nor in the reports of the hundreds of other houses I've inspected that had those things - because our SOP clearly states that we neither inspect nor report on such things. The customers asked me a question that I had no answer to. They wondered whether there was some kind of a code requirement for a safety barrier. Since I've never inspected one of those things and haven't bothered to educate myself about them I didn't know and told them I'd find out. I've got the answer I needed. Now I'll pass that along and that's the end of it. It does't affect me one way or the other. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Think of all of the fountains, ponds and lakes that we see in neighborhoods, subdivisions and parks around the country, they never have a fence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 ...landscape features are definitely not part of the house. That said, I have photoed, called out, and identified hazards such as holes in the yard when I have seen them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjr6550 Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I don't tend to worry about these types of things regarding my client, I am more concerned about a visitor or someone wondering onto the property and getting hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 There's no code requirement and, of course, ponds are outside the scope of our inspections. I usually just say something like, "Small kids from the house or the neighborhood can easily get into the pond and drown. If you'd like to reduce that risk, install a barrier around the pond or a safety net over it. Check out www.katchakid.com " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHS Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hausdok, Did you call your local permit or code office? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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