mgbinspect Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Download Attachment: Cracked Draft inducing fan.jpg 401.14 KB Keep an eye out for this black plastic draft inducing fan. When these units are found on a furnace that is in unconditioned space about 40% of them with any age on them will be cracked as this one is at the bottom center. In the early stages it will simply show as a hair line crack with efflorescence along it. It's about a $350.00 replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Actually, Michael, these kinds of cracks are typically caused by excessively high internal temperatures, regardless of where the furnace is located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgbinspect Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Interesting! Thanks for the input, John. So far I've only seen them on furnaces in crawlspaces, attics or eaves. I bounced it off an HVAC tech on one of my inspections and he had mentioned that the extremes of going from cooler outside temps to heating exhaust proved to be too much for the material. He's the one that offered the replacement cost. At any rate, I've mentioned to several of my fellow home inspectors who were not aware of the problem, so.. here it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 We have found, and reported abt 300 of these. Has nothing to do with where installed. Think improper material and cross vibration. How they are attached to cabinet - maybe no washer or groumet on older models. typically find them between 4 and 8 o'clock when mounted with throat up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgbinspect Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Thanks for the input, Les. I've seen about probably 40 +/- here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Very common, and not necessarily all that easy to see if you aren't looking for them. Good heads up tip.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 "Very common, and not necessarily all that easy to see if you aren't looking for them." I've found a majority of the cracks using a mirror. The vent in that picture can't be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Another thought. We've all seen furnaces in unconditioned areas that are more trapezoidal than rectangular 'cause the things were hefted through tiny scuttleholes. That plastic isn't very flexible. I'll bet some of the draft-inducer housings wind up having small cracks in them before the furnace is even fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobC Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 What brand is this furnace? and Is the photo correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarga Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Some of the Goodman gas units have that issue also. I have found it is from using the wrong screw or not pre-drilling the hole before attaching the flue connector. Seek and ye shall find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Most of the older Rudd units also. This one looks like a Rudd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi, I think, but am not certain, that most of these are made by the same manufacturer. A few years ago, I did a bunch of google searches on all sorts of fan references while looking for something on ventilation on google. I came across a manufacturer of these devices that had issued a recall. I remember something in the recall that listed all of the different furnace manufacturers that had the device and telling myself at the time to go back and bookmark that section so that I could look into it further. Well, I forgot about it. By the time I did remember it, I didn't have the energy to find it again. Every time I see one of these cracks I remember that site and curse myself for not bookmarking it. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Lewis Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 The name on the plastic inducer housing is Windjammer. Most I've seen are in Rheem/Ruud units Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 I agree. Likely 80% or more. So common a flaw that several Realtors even know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgbinspect Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Just found another one today, that's three this month alone. Newbys, if you see a black plastic draft inducing blower, scrutinize the heck out of it, because it's most likely cracked. Todays had little tiny almost invisible cracks only tipped off by a rusty residue of escaping moisture and minerals? This one is indeed a Windjammer. So far, about 25% to 33% of the ones I see are cracked, and it's about a $400.00 + replacement. Be careful! Click to Enlarge 38.62 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Whenever I see a plastic fan that not's cracked, I write in the report that there is a potential problem but I found no cracks at the time of inspection. At least this way, I informed my clients I am aware of the problem and now they do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgbinspect Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Whenever I see a plastic fan that not's cracked, I write in the report that there is a potential problem but I found no cracks at the time of inspection. At least this way, I informed my clients I am aware of the problem and now they do too. I do, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearthman Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 If the furnace in the OP is in an unconditioned space then it must use nothing but B-vent instead of single walled connector and it must run uphill. This appears to be running severely downhill with offsets. Looks like the pic is rotated 90 degrees. More pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgbinspect Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 The photo in the origianal post of this thread, was taken Mar of 2007, but I believe it's the angle the photo was taken at, to show the fan, that is misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 If the furnace in the OP is in an unconditioned space then it must use nothing but B-vent instead of single walled connector and it must run uphill. This appears to be running severely downhill with offsets. Looks like the pic is rotated 90 degrees. More pics? Reference? I believe that the code changed a few years ago and now double-walled vents are only required in climates where the winter temps are consistently below a certain average. Don't have time to look it up right now but the change has been a royal pain in my keester for the past few years. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearthman Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 2009 IRC G2427.10.2.2 Vent connectors located in unconditioned areas. Where the vent connector used for an appliance having a draft hood or a Category I appliance is located in or passes through attics, crawl spaces or other unconditioned spaces, that portion of the vent connector shall be listed Type B, Type L or listed vent material having equivalent properties. Exception: Single walled metal pipe located within the exterior walls of the building in areas having a local 99 percent winter design temperture of 5degrees F(-15C) or higher shall be permitted to be used in unconditioned spaces other than attics and crawl spaces. HTH, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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