Robert Jones Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Here is a home that recently had a roof over giving it 2 layers of shingles. Obviously not installed to well[] Does an installation like this void the shingle warranty? Is it more of a cosmetic issue because it is a second layer? This was performed by one of our fine local flippers. Click to Enlarge 99.88 KB Click to Enlarge 91.68 KB Click to Enlarge 86.29 KB Click to Enlarge 93.01 KB Click to Enlarge 90.31 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 What municipality? OT - OF!!! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Hey Mike, This would be Tacoma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Nuts! Seattle has a rule against roofovers in some circumustances that you might have been able to apply. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I hate to have to punt, but, don't really see that there is much of a choice on this one. I have added another pic for your amusement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Last one I had like that I wrote something l like, "The roof cover looks like it was installed by a 6th grader after his first time watching them install shingles on an episode of This Old House." ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 THAT is funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Realtor didn't think so. She called and asked me to re-word it. I refused. She groused a little bit. I told her that I'd re-word it if she could show me where it was an untrue statement. She hung up pissed off. The clients were referred by friends; THEY got the message loud and clear. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Whitmore Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 To answer your question, installation issues aren't typically covered by any warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Here is a home that recently had a roofover giving it 2 layers of shingles. Obviously not installed too well [] Does an installation like this void the shingle warranty? Warranty, schwarranty. Shingle companys don't pay out anyway, even if the roof is laid right. []I'd tell the clients it needs repair around the vents and then they could be ok, but I wasn't there to see it all, just judging from those pics. One big wind could change everything. The loose ends should be glued down with tar. The layer underneath will help a bit. It might not last much past 10 or 12 years, but that depends on the weather, and how well it's nailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 ...and how well it's nailed. Hell...nails are expensive...I smell staples! I don't tend to use language quite as colorful as Mike in my reports, but the gist would be the same. Crap installation using the cheapest materials available. Good luck during the next windstorm. How was the rest of the flip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Shitty at best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Fabry Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I'd tell the clients it needs repair around the vents and then they could be ok, but I wasn't there to see it all, just judging from those pics. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bernhardt Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Here is a home that recently had a roof over giving it 2 layers of shingles. Obviously not installed to well[] Does an installation like this void the shingle warranty? Is it more of a cosmetic issue because it is a second layer? This was performed by one of our fine local flippers. I would tell the client flat out that the roof is installed wrong, who knows if it will leak or blow off, but if they want it installed right, they'll need to have it replaced. Chris, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I would tell the client flat out that the roof is installed wrong, who knows if it will leak or blow off, but if they want it installed right, they'll need to have it replaced. Chris, Oregon So would I. Be bold Robert. Protect your client. The seams in adjacent courses should be no closer than 4". Strip it down to the felt and do it over. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 I would tell the client flat out that the roof is installed wrong, who knows if it will leak or blow off, but if they want it installed right, they'll need to have it replaced. Chris, Oregon So would I. Be bold Robert. Protect your client. The seams in adjacent courses should be no closer than 4". Strip it down to the felt and do it over. Marc I wasn't there and I agree it looks like a crappy roof job. There is one row, the fourth one down from the top, that isn't staggered properly from the row below. Is it leaking? If a house isn't built right, do you tell people to tear it down? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, just presenting another point of view. For example, the price is reasonable, the clients are handy and prepared to repair now and eventually replace, "Is it leaking?""The roof has to be torn off?""Can we fix it and get by for a while?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Thanks for the replies everyone. I did tell my clients on site that the roof was installed improperly and that it would need addressing by someone that actually knows how to install shingles. I just wasn't sure about the warranty issue. Young lady, first time buyer and the flip was simply eye candy with an updated kitchen and new carpet. The roof was not leaking, yet. And being a second layer may not ever. Just hate for her to sell in a few years, only to be stuck having to replace it by the next buyer. Thanks again guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Thanks for the replies everyone. I did tell my clients on site that the roof was installed improperly and that it would need addressing by someone that actually knows how to install shingles. I just wasn't sure about the warranty issue. Young lady, first time buyer and the flip was simply eye candy with an updated kitchen and new carpet. The roof was not leaking, yet. And being a second layer may not ever. Just hate for her to sell in a few years, only to be stuck having to replace it by the next buyer. Thanks again guys. OK, I would in that case do what you did, call for a full and proper repair by a qualified roofer. The only proper fix is a new roof, and if the client isn't inclined to do roofing work, it could be expensive trouble that has to be pointed out to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTL_Inspet_Man Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Normally if shingles are not installed per the manufacturer's recommendations - good lucjk at any compensation. If your codes are anything like ours usually minimum code is less than the manufacturer's minimum recommendations so as such unless a new home warranty with the builder is in effect then i guess that's it. I wish the codes would be updated so that as a minimum the manufacturer's standardd installation proctices would be respected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msteger Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Here is a home that recently had a roof over giving it 2 layers of shingles. Obviously not installed to well[] Does an installation like this void the shingle warranty? Is it more of a cosmetic issue because it is a second layer? This was performed by one of our fine local flippers. Click to Enlarge 99.88 KB Click to Enlarge 91.68 KB Click to Enlarge 86.29 KB Click to Enlarge 93.01 KB Click to Enlarge 90.31 KB I'd call it an unprofessional installation and recommend consulting a qualified roofer for proper repair (replacement). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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