plummen Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 On an other forum Ive been known to hang out on somebody else asked about what I personally would consider a hack job,I was wondering what you guys would think. The guys wife apparently makes/prints t-shirts in their garage and needs to hook up some sort of dryer for the ink on the shirts. Problem being the panel is on other end of garage,roughly 30' and change from location the machine is going and requires a 30a circuit. The guy doesnt have any 10g wire and has no money/desire to buy any apparently. He wants to run a chunk of 8/2 as far as he can stretch it then mount a junction box and take the 10/2 wg cord from the dryer and chop the end off and just wire nut the mess together inside the junction box. Does anybody else have an issue with this? I talked to an electrical inspector today about it,he thought it was funny and said he hopes the guy has good insurance. The inspector was in a hurry so I didnt ask him about a specific code referance,so what do you guys think about this and what referance would you give other than an obvious workmanship flag? [:-paperba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Based on what you said, no. It's functional, legal and safe. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Fabry Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 The cord for the device likely isn't rated to be installed as permanent wiring. B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Long ago a friend who was a retired electrical engineer (worked at Oak Ridge, TN nuclear facility when they used slide rules and not computers) told me he built his little shack in Gautier, MS and wired circuits with conductors only sized to meet demand at each location. He claimed the utility accused him of meter tampering because his bills were so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 On an other forum Ive been known to hang out on somebody else asked about what I personally would consider a hack job,I was wondering what you guys would think. The guys wife apparently makes/prints t-shirts in their garage and needs to hook up some sort of dryer for the ink on the shirts. Problem being the panel is on other end of garage,roughly 30' and change from location the machine is going and requires a 30a circuit. The guy doesnt have any 10g wire and has no money/desire to buy any apparently. He wants to run a chunk of 8/2 as far as he can stretch it then mount a junction box and take the 10/2 wg cord from the dryer and chop the end off and just wire nut the mess together inside the junction box. Does anybody else have an issue with this? I talked to an electrical inspector today about it,he thought it was funny and said he hopes the guy has good insurance. The inspector was in a hurry so I didnt ask him about a specific code referance,so what do you guys think about this and what referance would you give other than an obvious workmanship flag? [:-paperba It would make more sense to me if he were to retain the plug on the cord and install a matching receptacle at the end of his run of #8. That said, he should also consider the limitations of 400.8: 400.8 Uses Not Permitted. Unless specifically permitted in 400.7, flexible cords and cables shall not be used for the following:(1) As a substitute for the fixed wiring of a structure (2) Where run through holes in walls, structural ceilings, suspended ceilings, dropped ceilings, or floors (3) Where run through doorways, windows, or similar openings (4) Where attached to building surfaces Exception to (4): Flexible cord and cable shall be permitted to be attached to building surfaces in accordance with the provisions of 368. 56(B) (5) Where concealed by walls, floors, or ceilings or located above suspended or dropped ceilings(6) Where installed in raceways, except as otherwise permitted in this Code (7) Where subject to physical damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Only an idjit would chop the end off of a perfectly good dryer cord. He can install a receptacle for the price of one T-shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I say screen printing materials are extremely flammable, and his wiring method has excellent ignition potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Port Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I say screen printing materials are extremely flammable, and his wiring method has excellent ignition potential. Do you really see this splice in a junction box any more of a danger than any other junction box? I don't think the few T shirt printers I have seen have been wired anywhere close to a Classified location wiring method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Yes, I do. People that make stupid decisions do so out of habit. Hard wiring an appliance cord won't be the only dangerous connection in that building. He knows it's wrong, otherwise he wouldn't be fishing for permission on an internet forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Port Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 The issue on the other forum centered around the use of oversized conductors with a properly sized OCPD matched to the smallest conductors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindrid Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Long ago a friend who was a retired electrical engineer (worked at Oak Ridge, TN nuclear facility when they used slide rules and not computers) told me he built his little shack in Gautier, MS and wired circuits with conductors only sized to meet demand at each location. He claimed the utility accused him of meter tampering because his bills were so low. And what difference would that make? There is little line loss in a residential structure. IMHO, the wiring would be safe and no different though not the way I would do it. Why would a latex machine and dryer be flammable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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