Bill Kibbel Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Bill, that just plain cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspector57 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Notice how the age of homes in the north vs south closely mirrors the common availability of air conditioning. Neat chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Bill, For a guy who focuses on historic homes, PA looks like the place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Amaral Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Amen amen amen... Thanks for posting that Bill.. . no wonder I'm tired at the end of each week.. !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 It could be far worse Rob. You could be in a place where nearly everything was built after 1980. Those are the places that wear me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Amaral Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 It could be far worse Rob. You could be in a place where nearly everything was built after 1980. Those are the places that wear me out. They wear Bill K and myself out TOO! But factor in a shack like this: Blt 1830, additions in 1880, 1910 and 1950 AND a detached barn... .. it gets trick up here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Notice how the age of homes in the north vs south closely mirrors the common availability of air conditioning. I never would have thought of that. For a guy who focuses on historic homes, PA looks like the place to be. Serving Eastern PA and parts of NJ is really amazing for old buildings. I get to see German, English, Scotch-Irish, Dutch and Swedish built Colonial-era homes. I really prefer the buildings that were built 30 to 80 years before George Washington was born. Like Rob, I find the inevitable multiple additions and alterations make this job a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Scotch is a drink. The people are Scots-Irish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Scotch is a drink. The people are Scots-Irish. Scotch-Irish or Scots-Irish - either spelling is acceptable for the last 3 centuries, except to some recent proponents of the latter phrase. That's why there's the Scotch-Irish Society of the United States, the Journal of Scotch-Irish Studies, the Center for Scotch-Irish Studies and many books and papers authored by scholars about the Ulster Scots with Scotch-Irish in the title. I'm right where the Scotch-Irish first settled here and later immigrants disembarked. When researching primary documentation of historic buildings, communities and genealogy, it's almost always written as Scotch-Irish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'm reading similar arguments from Redskins fans. There's a certain logic to it, I suppose, but ultimately, its the losing argument. Language and attitudes are fluid and adapt to changing times. Scotch-Irish isn't awful, but it isn't correct, and Scots-Irish is preferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtblum Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'm reading similar arguments from Redskins fans. There's a certain logic to it, I suppose, but ultimately, its the losing argument. I can fix that. Click to Enlarge 12.7 KB Or.... Click to Enlarge 48.26 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Scotch-Irish isn't awful, but it isn't correct Could you show me something, other than your opinion, that it isn't "correct"? I'm 1/4 Scotch-Irish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Bill, I have no desire to try address your undefeatable need to be correct in all things, nor your unfailing need to get the last word. We could trade links to usages of both all day long, but I'm sure your will is stronger than mine on this issue, so I'll pass. I guess I am also Scots-Irish, though I consider myself an American. In any case, that's irrelevant. Neither gives me (or you) any real credibility on the subject. Do some looking around. It may give you a new perspective. If you find that it opens your mind to valuable points of view that differ from your own. The Associated Press Stylebook says: "The people are the Scots, not the Scotch." Better yet, find yourself a Scot and ask him if he's "scotch." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Merriam-Webster says Scottish. No mention of Scotch. But there again, the population defines words, the dictionary just tries its best to get it right. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 This has absolutely nothing to do with people that live in Scotland. This is about a phrase that was created by the people that came to America from Ulster Ireland, to differentiate themselves from the Irish immigrants from the potato famine era. An overwhelming majority of primary documents I've seen from the period show the phrase Scotch-Irish. I'm open to other points of view Jim, if they were based on facts. You were the one to make a statement that you have yet to support. Pointing out my character flaws instead of providing facts on the issue is your rebuttal? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Bill, Surely you will recall that: Ulster is, and was at the time you refer to, not in Ireland, but in Great Britain. (Don't feel badly, you weren't too far off.) Many residents of Ulster -today and then- trace their roots and religion to Scotland. Yes, it most definitely does have to do with Scottish lineage. Also, most primary documents concerning slavery use a different word for black folks than is considered acceptable today. Is that really your argument? Or is it actually mine? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted October 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Bill, Surely you will recall that: Ulster is, and was at the time you refer to, not in Ireland, but in Great Britain. (Don't feel badly, you weren't too far off.) That's not correct. Ulster is a nine county province in Ireland. 6 of the counties are in what is now called Northern Ireland and 3 are in the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland was created in the early 1920s to REMAIN under the rule of the United Kingdom. Until then, all of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom since 1800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Notice how the age of homes in the north vs south closely mirrors the common availability of air conditioning. I never would have thought of that. For a guy who focuses on historic homes, PA looks like the place to be. Serving Eastern PA and parts of NJ is really amazing for old buildings. I get to see German, English, Scotch-Irish, Dutch and Swedish built Colonial-era homes. I really prefer the buildings that were built 30 to 80 years before George Washington was born. Like Rob, I find the inevitable multiple additions and alterations make this job a challenge. Bill, If I wanted to tour historic towns in eastern PA or parts of NJ, what would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspectorjoe Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 You can't go wrong with Bethlehem, John. It's only about three hours away from you. Be aware that it's overrun by tourists between Thanksgiving and Christmas, but if you come with your wife and she's not into old buildings, there's plenty of shopping opportunities to keep her occupied. I'd be more than happy to take you around. This is America's first industrial park: Download Attachment: 1 048.jpg 948.68 KB The 1741 Gemeinhaus is the largest 18th century log building in the United States: Click to Enlarge 65.97 KB Click to Enlarge 64.63 KB Click to Enlarge 115.6 KB Click to Enlarge 112.17 KB Plus, Bethlehem is a politically diverse city! Click to Enlarge 76.38 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I might have to take you up on that sometime Joe. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Bethlehem is very nice. Some pretty unique and early German buildings. Also, go up the hill to the residential area to see a wide range of Victorian styles. Other areas: Drive along each side of the Delaware River in Bucks County, PA and Hunterdon County, NJ. There are many towns and villages that grew up around 18th century ferry crossings and river-powered mills. Lots of specialty shops and restaurants too. In PA: Doylestown, the Bucks County Seat Fallsington - has many historic homes spanning 3 centuries. I lived there for ten years in a house built in 1690 You can also visit Washington's Crossing park, with a few preserved buildings Old City and Society Hill sections of Philadelphia There are also many amazing historic buildings scattered all around in rural areas and hidden in developed areas In NJ: Princeton, Mercer County Flemington, the Hunterdon County Seat Cape May -a Victorian era resort town Allaire Village - due to funding, now only open certain weekends And, some more sites listed here: http://www.funnewjersey.com/upload_user ... LLAGES.htm Here's some pics of historic homes in the area: http://historicbldgs.com/gallery.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 I think I need to make a week long vacation in these areas. I'll be looking this stuff up and mapping it out. Thanks Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Old pubs and taverns....we love that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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