hausdok Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hi All, If you're into serious woodworking or maybe just looking around for a way to throw together some quick shelves with seriously strong joints, you might like to get one of these. I'm adding one to my Christmas List 'cuz I can see where they'd be a lot stronger than bisquit joinery. OT - OF!!! M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randynavarro Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 They advertise "faster" that biscuits. It took a while for that tool to cut that slot --much longer than a biscuit joiner. Cool tool, though. Festool is pricey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Pretty cool. But, how much stronger does a joint have to be for shelves & simple stuff? Biscuits are nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 I hate to poo-poo yet another new gadget as it actually looks like a decent system, but I have to agree with Kurt as far as shelves (or cabinet sides) go. The dominos would be overkill in those situations and, as they wouldn't have the fudge factor that biscuits do, the set-up would have to be extremely precise. And then, for most other applications such as table rails or good face frames I would still prefer the strength of a good mortise and tenon joint. I'm going to assume you have a decent, cabinet grade, table saw, so making repetitive tenons should be no problem. I now use a Delta tenon jig (see http://www.toolmarts.com/del_34-183.html ) although I used to manage fine without one. I drill my mortises with a dedicated hollow chisel mortiser (see http://store.all-cordless.com/dehochmomm.html ). Only around $250 although you can convert a regular drill press much cheaper. I dunno Mike...for around $350 you can get a good mortise and tenon set-up. I'm just not sure where I would use the Festool and, at $800 bucks or so, I could probably find something more useful for the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisprickett Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Properly glued and clamped, I've never had a bisquit fail. You need to BRUSH the glue n the bisquit and in the slots. Most just squirt the glue in. Done right, and its like a weld. The wood will break before the joint. Plus...that dude in the video looks like a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Buncha wusses. Doesn't anyone know how to chop a mortise anymore? - Jim Katen, Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Originally posted by Jim Katen Buncha wusses. Doesn't anyone know how to chop a mortise anymore? - Jim Katen, Oregon LOL Jim...I do know how, but I used to be a professional woodworker (custom furniture and cabinetry). Just too time consuming plus very, very tough with some of the more exotic hardwoods I used to use. I may be an old fashioned curmudgeon, but I do like my power tools. But while we are on hand tools, I can also highly recommend a good quality shoulder plane for final tenon adjustment. I have an older Record, which I don't think is made anymore. The Lie-Nelson large is very similar ( http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?cat=518 ). Not the first plane you should own, but you'll fall in love the first time you use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randynavarro Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 You high-brow elitists. Drywall screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Originally posted by Richard Moore LOL Jim...I do know how, but I used to be a professional woodworker (custom furniture and cabinetry). Just too time consuming plus very, very tough with some of the more exotic hardwoods I used to use. I may be an old fashioned curmudgeon, but I do like my power tools. But while we are on hand tools, I can also highly recommend a good quality shoulder plane for final tenon adjustment. I have an older Record, which I don't think is made anymore. The Lie-Nelson large is very similar ( http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?cat=518 ). Not the first plane you should own, but you'll fall in love the first time you use it. I'm thrilled to hear that you're a real woodworker. When I was a boy, I was put to work assisting an old Italian cabinetmaker. In this country, at that time, the only work he could find was framing and finish carpentry. But he had a heart condition and he doctor forbade him from doing anything strenuous. So I was to be his go-fer. Sadly, his skills far surpassed anything he did on the job, so he amused himself by teaching me joinery with hand tools. He had some serious opinions. In my own shop, I have a dedicated mortising machine and a mortising attachment for the drill press. But if I have only a few mortises to chop, I'll reach for the chisel & mallet every time. The Lie-Nelson planes are lovely, but you'll have to pry the Stanley #92 out of my cold, dead hands. - Jim Katen, Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Milk-out-the-nose funny, Randy! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Mortise, shmortise........ The bookmatched decks are a highly flamed mahogany, steam bent in a hyperbolic paraboloid. Image Insert: 87.55 KB Image Insert: 88.1 KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Chew Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 I'm siding with the naysayers on this one. That domino tool might be good for a production shop, but a doubled biscuit joint with a good glue bond is pretty strong and for even stronger joints you can go with mortise and tenon. One of the things I like about woodworking is that for most things there is more than one way to do it. Part of the fun is figuring it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Originally posted by kurt Mortise, shmortise........ The bookmatched decks are a highly flamed mahogany, steam bent in a hyperbolic paraboloid. And not a single domino joint . . . - Jim Katen, Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 I was once the joiner at a 17th century living history museum. I still won't use power tools. No machine can do a tighter joint. My most recent project: 24 mortice and tenon joints, and everything else, done with 17th & 18th century hand tools: Completed: Then a bench for the end of the bed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Kurt and Bill...nice work. Especially the canoe. I love the look of those types of wood boat but never tried my hand at it. Unfortunately, most of my "portfolio" predated my first digital camera and is lying loose as photos in a shoebox, now buried somewhere in the house after the remodel. I did have some scanned but, evidently, I didn't bother copying that folder when I changed computers a year or so ago. One day I'll dig them out, re-scan some, and have a show and tell with y'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Huh, That reminds me; I've got plans for a cedar strip sea kayak around here someplace. Been meaning to sit down and look them over and decide if I've got the time and gumption to start one. OT - OF!!! M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Our next boat will be 70-80ft long, around 100 years old and made of steel or iron. Something along the lines of this one... Download Attachment: imagine1.jpg 138.57 KB A converted, liveaboard, dutch barge for cruising the European canal/waterway system. It's probably about 4 or 5 years away, but is our plan for slightly early retirement. I might get to do some woodwork on the interior but, as I won't be able to ship my workshop over there, we are actually hoping to find one that is already set up the way we want it. And yes, we will have room for nice guests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Originally posted by Richard Moore And yes, we will have room for nice guests. Dang! That leaves me out. OT - OF!!! M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Originally posted by Jim Katen Originally posted by kurt Mortise, shmortise........ The bookmatched decks are a highly flamed mahogany, steam bent in a hyperbolic paraboloid. And not a single domino joint . . . - Jim Katen, Oregon There's not a single glue joint in the whole assembly (well, actually, the stem and stern are fabricated out of 3 pieces, glued together, but they don't count). It's all fit tight, and held w/brass screws. The idea is the assembly has to maintain a certain amount of flexibility for the inevitable impact, AND, one has to be able to dismantle the thing so it can be re-canvassed. Of course, I used Dacron & modern polymeric fillers on my "canvas" work, so it'll never need to come apart for new cloth. The canoe was the last gasp of exercising my chops in the woodshop. I'm a power tool guy now. Handwork is fine for the Krenov disciples & Kibbel's of the world, but after one cuts a few mortises or dovetails by hand, and understands how, I think it's OK to go nuclear (or, is that nukular?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 If anyone is interested. in FWW logoed gear. Click Here!". OT - OF!!! M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthomas1 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I've seen Kurt's canoe up close, it is truly a work of art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthomas1 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Not quite in Kurt and Billââ¬â¢s class, but Iââ¬â¢m happy with the result: http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... erhead.jpg http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... Bottom.jpg http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... N_Post.jpg http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Stairs1.jpg http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=Stairs2.jpg York Spiral Stairs laminated the stringers and handrails to spec in their press, I did the install and trim carpentry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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