Jerry Lozier Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Anybody recognize this shingle, has surface cracking, appears just through the granules. 1993 home, mostly across shingle, not typical 'spider' pattern that I've seen on Pabco. No broken or missing shingles.... Cosmetic only??? Download Attachment: P1010577.JPG 99.38 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msteger Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I've seen these shingles a few times. They look rather strange (like a tiger's stripes) from the ground. I don't know much else about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Could be thermal splitting. http://www.inspect-ny.com/roof/SplittingShingles.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I'd call them out for replacement just because they're ugly[] Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Whitmore Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I believe that the cracks are called crazing. I've only seen those shingles a few times, and if memory serves correctly, they looked like that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Moore Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Can't say I've ever seen them...on any home around here. It does look like similar construction to the Pabco Horizon with pieces stuck on top of three-tab shingles but I doubt they are actually Pabco. In any event, I'd say the damage is beyond cosmetic. Maybe they won't leak yet, but the cracks are not normal and could develop into a serious problem soon for all I know. If it was my own house, I would probably risk a few more years. But, as an HI, and without having some very good info that would suggest otherwise, I would have to tell a buyer that the 16 year old roofing is failing and is in need of replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Jones Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Not Pabco, but I could swear that I was told by a roofer once that those are called butterfly shingles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lozier Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Can't say I've ever seen them...on any home around here. It does look like similar construction to the Pabco Horizon with pieces stuck on top of three-tab shingles but I doubt they are actually Pabco. In any event, I'd say the damage is beyond cosmetic. Maybe they won't leak yet, but the cracks are not normal and could develop into a serious problem soon for all I know. If it was my own house, I would probably risk a few more years. But, as an HI, and without having some very good info that would suggest otherwise, I would have to tell a buyer that the 16 year old roofing is failing and is in need of replacement. They are certainly ugly.... I agree Richard.... that the 16 year old roofing is failing and is in need of replacement. Hoping someone knew the brand.... Download Attachment: P1010579.JPG 100.48 KB Download Attachment: P1010571.JPG 99.77 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottpat Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Man that is an ugly shingle! That splitting looks very similar if not the same to the defective shingles that were made in the early 1990's If that is a1993 shingle, it fits in the same time frame. Several manufacturers reduced the amount of petroleum product (asphalt) in their mix. They then increased the adhesive strip and gave it more holding power. The shingles basically tore themselves apart through thermal expansion. As for the ugly roof it needs to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Looks like someone put a flat zebra on the roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bain Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Wicked ugly. Who looks at that stuff and says, "That's it. That's the one I have to have." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Wicked ugly. Who looks at that stuff and says, "That's it. That's the one I have to have." It was probably more like, "On sale? Really?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I've always wondered what those were called....... The one's I've seen have all been uniformally crappy in addition to being ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Anybody recognize this shingle, . . . Jerry, I'll take Certainteed Hallmark in pewter gray for $500 please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWagar Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'd be afraid that those shingles would give be vertigo and I'd fall off the roof.... or maybe just puke off the edge. I have had a talk discussion with my go to roofer about this type of defect. He basically said that it is a manufacturing defect, citing the same reasons Scott stated above, but that there is not enough evidence to suggest that they will fail early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Kibbel Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 That's one of Certainteed's lovely "Shangles" that used a granule overlay to create the illusion of worn, striated shakes. The stuff manufactured in the late '80s and early '90s was pretty well known for severe granule loss at the edges, surface cracks and there were many, many warranty claims. There was a class action filed in PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lozier Posted August 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I'd be afraid that those shingles would give be vertigo and I'd fall off the roof.... or maybe just puke off the edge. I have had a talk discussion with my go to roofer about this type of defect. He basically said that it is a manufacturing defect, citing the same reasons Scott stated above, but that there is not enough evidence to suggest that they will fail early. I thot I was having a wildwood flower flashback, ah the 60's, almost bought a pizza on the way home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Kubs Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dam! Ugly isn't saying enough. Must have got a free bowl of soup for buying those...[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindaleigh4366 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 This shingle was made by Pabco in only a handful of colors. Sold in the 80's in two different weights. This is the part I'm unsure of, Glasstex 3Tab maybe a 25 year & Hallmark with a laminated tab possible 30 year. Most people purchasing this were going for a woodsy look because it was made to mimic wood grain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjr6550 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 I'm going with Bill. My memory says old Certainteed. Usually looked like that. Don't recall seeing any in the recent past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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