Erby Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Ya gotta learn to Google, John. http://mlis.state.md.us/asp/web_statutes.asp?gen&8-305 Or you can go to the Maryland State General Assembly website http://mlis.state.md.us Click on the "Maryland Statues" which takes you further down the page to http://mlis.state.md.us/#stat Which has the link to the code but it is off the state website onto Michie/Lexis. OR you can just call the MARYLAND RADON HOTLINE, 1-800-767-7236 Google is a wonderful thing if you learn how to use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Originally posted by pybarra During a real estate tranactions you test either with active or passive devices. Continious Radon Monitors (CR or CRM) are active devices you only need one unless doing QA. Passive devices include carbon devices (AC,LS ...) and Electret Ion Chambers (ES or EL) and you ALWAYS use two devices for Real estate transactions. If you follow EPA protocol now administered by NEHA-NRPP and NRSB or a state regulated protocol you use two passive devices 4/5 inches apart. This is the most important protocol that will keep you out of hot water if someone challenges the results. John, Where did you get your devices? Rad Elec (EPERMS) ? AHIS: Please review the following or OR call IEMA to explain it to you... TITLE 32: ENERGY CHAPTER II: ILLINOIS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY SUBCHAPTER b: RADIATION PROTECTION PART 422 LICENSING OF RADON DETECTION AND MITIGATION SERVICES SECTION 422.130 MEASUREMENT PROTOCOL While not every state has different requirements, some do. So, with that being said, the above statement is false. Here in New Jersey, you are allowed to use a single canister for testing. What's more, a continuous monitor only has to be deployed for 24 hours, not 48. I have had this argument many, many times. I know what my state requirements are, so please don't say I'm wrong or the requirements are wrong/bad. It is what it is, and I follow those requirements (actually, I exceed the requirement, I only do a 24 hour test if there is a time limit, even then I will do a duplicate test). So, just check your states laws and requirements before testing; it will keep you out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Lewis Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Darren, I've asked for the 24 hr. test protocol in writing from people at the DEP Radon Section. They don't seem to be able to find it. I know you're right. The rule must be in the fine print somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pybarra Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Thanks Darren, NJ has a strong radon program and thanks for pointing out the uniqueness of their program. In my post I will agree with you that not all states follow every aspect of this protocol. But there is a protocol that is followed. Regards. While not every state has different requirements, some do. So, with that being said, the above statement is false. Here in New Jersey, you are allowed to use a single canister for testing. What's more, a continuous monitor only has to be deployed for 24 hours, not 48. I have had this argument many, many times. I know what my state requirements are, so please don't say I'm wrong or the requirements are wrong/bad. It is what it is, and I follow those requirements (actually, I exceed the requirement, I only do a 24 hour test if there is a time limit, even then I will do a duplicate test). So, just check your states laws and requirements before testing; it will keep you out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted July 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 This thread has enlightened me. I'm on a quest to get my NRPP/NEHA certification ASAP. Do any of you know of an online study course that I can do from home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted July 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I am still trying to find out exactly what my state wants me to have. There are several different types of training and certifications out there. I need to make sure I spend my resources on the one I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian G Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Last I knew you couldn't get radon training from an EPA approved vendor online. That may have changed, but I sort of doubt it. I took it from Auburn University at a site in Tennessee. It was a couple of days worth with a big ole' test at the end. I'm not sure if you can get NRPP/NEHA certified without going through an EPA approved vendor. Does anyone know for sure? Brian G. Open Your Wallet & Turn Your Head [:-crazy] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erby Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 John: I think what you are looking for to get you started is certification as a: Radon Measurment Provider (RMP) - Standard Services NEHA-NRPP - National Environmental Health Association's National Radon Proficiency Program http://www.radongas.org/radon_measureme ... ards.shtml or Radon Measurement Technician (RMT) NRSB - National Radon Safety Board http://nrsb.org/nrsb-s1.htm Those are the basic certifications to get you started doing residetial radon measurement serivces. Education providers must be accepted by whichever of those two bodies you want certification from. Might also want to check out AARST - American Association of Radon Scientists & Technologists http://www.aarst.org/ That ought to be enough to get you going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted July 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Thanks for the help everyone. I'm also in the process of communicating with some MD State officials to make sure I move in the direction that gets me what I need. MD 8-305 says, "After completion of round 6 of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's National Radon Measurement Proficiency Program, have all tests analyzed by a listed facility" That's it. So whatever round 6 of the EPA NRPP is. You see, it doesn't say I have to be "listed" or "certified" etc, unless round 6 includes that, I don't know yet. What is standard in other states may not be here in Maryland. I need the bare minimum "requirement" to get started, not the "recommended". There is much out there. It's easy to be lead in a direction that wont meet the "requirement" as it is written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted May 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Well, I finally took the 16 hour radon measurement course and then followed up by passing the NEHA NRPP exam. Now I suppose its time to send my money to the NEHA to get listed. Just thought I would float that out there since earlier in this thread it was uncovered that I was performing measurement services without the proper credentials. I'm covered now. I learned some stuff I didn't know. I'll be able to answer the typical questions with more confidence now. What the heck, got my 16 CEU requirement for this year knocked out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspectorjoe Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Congratulations John! That's not an easy test (for me at least). I miraculously passed it in 2001 and I'm glad I'll never have to take it again. In Pa, to keep your state DEP certification, once you pass the test, you only need to sit through 16 hours of CE every two years. Oh, and pay the recently nearly-doubled fee of $350. ....... Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erby Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 The test has about a 50% failure rate. Congratulations, John. Go get em and earn some money to pay you back for the education and certification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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