stiches9 Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Something about this didn't make intuitive sense to me, but I'm not a roofer. Click to Enlarge 46.93 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caryseidner Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 The hip/ridge cap should not be installed on the gutter edge. There should be a gutter there and I imagine that there is not one because the contractor who installed the other gutters could not figure out how to make a curved gutter. Or maybe some other reason. An old mentor of mine used to tell me to "be water". When I "be water" on this roof, I could/will: run down the side of the house and erode the facadeleak into the house through the windows/rot the windowserode the soil at the foundationcause foundation leaks Just a whole list of bad stuff that could be solved with a simple gutter system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Odd looking trim installed on the 2nd story eaves and no gutter on same. Not that the gutter is required but that I don't see how the contractor rationalized gutters just on the 1st story and not the 2nd story. I wish there was a way to confirm the presence of a steel moment frame in that center wall with all those fenestration openings, because that wall doesn't seem to be in the same plane as the walls on either side. And look at the valleys on either side. A wall projects halfway into them. It's a flashing nightmare unless it's well soldered copper. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Something about this didn't make intuitive sense to me, but I'm not a roofer. The roofer probably did what he could when faced with such a stupid design. People who design this crap really need to get a clue. - Jim Katen, Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Something about this didn't make intuitive sense to me, but I'm not a roofer. The roofer probably did what he could when faced with such a stupid design. People who design this crap really need to get a clue. - Jim Katen, Oregon They are called, "architects." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I didn't realize this until after my first post but that center wall appears to be a convex shaped wall (from the outside) except for a horizontal foot or two from each side. That might explain the odd eaves trim: The contractor couldn't, or didn't want to cut the clay tiles, so he 'patched' it with the trim pieces. One wonders if there is a problem with the roof finish at that point. Sounds like ample motivation to get a long extension ladder. Might be lots of trouble but might be an important finding too. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Someone's clumsy attempt at an asian influenced cloud lift roof without any overhangs or a clue as to what he/she was doing. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence McCann Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Another weak spot will be where the valley hits the wall. The stone and mortar will be constantly saturated. Who knows what's going on with the other side. Not a very goog design for sure. Edit: I see that Marc already pointed this out. Click to Enlarge 47.1 KB After some reasearch I see that a Ms. Lisa was the design engineer. Click to Enlarge 3.04 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiches9 Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Thanks for the great input - I only noticed the strange ridge cap where the gutter would be, but you guys found other stuff... Since I'm not working on the house itself, I'm trying to figure out a diplomatic way to approach this as we prepare a bid for outdoor kitchen, patio, firepit, etc. outside. Any comments would be most appreciated. (maybe I'll have Ms. Lisa talk to them ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Well, since you didn't build the house, I would avoid mentioning any of the stuff we found to your customer. Customers have a way of sticking your name on things that you didn't even do if you so much as mention them. It's psychology. Stick with the outdoor kitchen, etc and do it right. Do it proudly. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomop Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 They are called, "architects." Hi there, I'm a roofing contractor. In Australia of late, architects have started to move back to a more standard roofing design. We went through a stage there where it got pretty ridiculous. Hips and valleys that that ran no-where. hips in places they didn't need to be etc. Roofs when finished were not functional and on many occasions, major rectifications were needed. Possibly bad training? A big elegant house i can understand having intricate roofing designs, but leave the average house alone i say! cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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