Mike Lamb Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Do you consider BX lying on the cabinet floor beneath a sink a concern; subject to physical damage? This photo is a mild example. Click to Enlarge 39.84 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Practically, no. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Where's the disconnect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Technically, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Where's the disconnect? next apartment. the kitchens back up to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You cityfolk are fussy. 9 times out of 10 that's NM in my market. My preference is for a cord and plug. Strain relief and disconnect in one device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Fabry Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Where's the disconnect? HA HA HA HA HA HA, Lord, you crack me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim5055 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Perfect timing on this question as I'm about to add a disposal to a house that does not have one. Every house we have owned has NM kind of lying like this BX. I have always gone in and at least attached it to the back wall of the cabinet kind of like the dishwasher drain high loop. As I'm doing it from scratch, what is actually correct? BX? To follow up on Kurt's question, is the switch the disconnect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Perfect timing on this question as I'm about to add a disposal to a house that does not have one. Every house we have owned has NM kind of lying like this BX. I have always gone in and at least attached it to the back wall of the cabinet kind of like the dishwasher drain high loop. As I'm doing it from scratch, what is actually correct? BX? To follow up on Kurt's question, is the switch the disconnect? It should be a pigtail - SO cord with a plug on one end. I've argued with folks over whether NM would be considered 'exposed to damage' if it were inside a cabinet. Can't get a majority either way. I say it is. It's likely a switch. Meets the need for a local disconnect so folks don't play ugly games on sparky. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 btw the most current term for that cable is not bx but ac, no? I've been told calling it bx is showing my age! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Perfect timing on this question as I'm about to add a disposal to a house that does not have one. Every house we have owned has NM kind of lying like this BX. I have always gone in and at least attached it to the back wall of the cabinet kind of like the dishwasher drain high loop. As I'm doing it from scratch, what is actually correct? BX? To follow up on Kurt's question, is the switch the disconnect? As Marc said, use SO cord with a plug and plug it into a switched receptacle on the wall. The cord will survive the challenging environment under the sink and the plug will serve as a disconnect. In order to qualify as a disconnect, a switch has to be within line-of-sight of the disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 The easiest way to do it is with an outlet, plug and cord. It's more work to do it wrong. Drift.... Anyone seen the late model Bosch DW's with the plastic hex box and cord thing that goes in an adjacent cabinet? It looks like a better way to make the electrical connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Jim B is correct. BX is a 1930's product. I call for the "wiring in flexible conduit" to be clamped out of the way sometimes. I always check for a loose clamp where the cable attaches to the unit. I will always call out NMD without the conduit. It is vulnerable to damage under the sink. NMD with a plug attached is double wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 . . . Anyone seen the late model Bosch DW's with the plastic hex box and cord thing that goes in an adjacent cabinet? It looks like a better way to make the electrical connections. I saw one a few days ago, but the box was square not hex (?). It looks like a good system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 . . . Anyone seen the late model Bosch DW's with the plastic hex box and cord thing that goes in an adjacent cabinet? It looks like a better way to make the electrical connections. I saw one a few days ago, but the box was square not hex (?). It looks like a good system. got a photo? I don't think we have seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim5055 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Anyone seen the late model Bosch DW's with the plastic hex box and cord thing that goes in an adjacent cabinet? It looks like a better way to make the electrical connections. Interesting - Installation instructions say this: Bosch dishwashers (300 ,500,800 series) now have new electrical installation options. New - a proprietary connector plug in the rear for a safe and quick installation. Read it here in the PDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Looks like it makes sense. Thanks Tim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Port Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 FWIW I have never even seen NM damaged under the sink. Also AC cable has the same installation restrictions as NM and cannot be installed where subject to damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lamb Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 There was a switch under the cabinet. I used to call it AC. Then I went back to BX because I thought more folks are familiar with that. I have also gone from using NM for inside wiring to Romex for the same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 There was a switch under the cabinet. I used to call it AC. Then I went back to BX because I thought more folks are familiar with that. I have also gone from using NM for inside wiring to Romex for the same reason. Same here. In Chicago, it will forever be BX and/or romex and trying to make it otherwise is pointless. Nobody cares about these distinctions except us. I often explain in off hand comments that I call it this way because that's how everyone recognizes it, and if anyone hears it being called otherwise, OK, I told you first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 There was a switch under the cabinet. I used to call it AC. Then I went back to BX because I thought more folks are familiar with that. I have also gone from using NM for inside wiring to Romex for the same reason. Same here. In Chicago, it will forever be BX and/or romex and trying to make it otherwise is pointless. Nobody cares about these distinctions except us. I often explain in off hand comments that I call it this way because that's how everyone recognizes it, and if anyone hears it being called otherwise, OK, I told you first. "Flexible conduit" [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 FWIW I have never even seen NM damaged under the sink. Also AC cable has the same installation restrictions as NM and cannot be installed where subject to damage. Jim P, you are an electrician. Exposed NM, like hanging from a garbage disposer, is a code violation, no? AC is ok clamped to the wall, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erby Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Golly, you mean this ain't the right way to do it! Click to Enlarge 45.89 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 "Flexible conduit" [] But, we're all conduit here, and for the guys I work with, flexible conduit means Greenfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Here's the Bosch thing.....I guess it is square, kind of. The whip is brought into the box, then the cord plugs into a fancy recep on the back of the DW. It's a really nice system. Click to Enlarge 7.83 KB Click to Enlarge 11.08 KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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