Les Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 The description was "home has beautiful crown mouldings in all formal rooms". That was true, there were pieces of crown moulding in all formal rooms. I wrote it as potential danger from pieces of falling trim. Click to Enlarge 15.57 KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Would you write this? Is it a defect? Would you talk about it and not write it? What does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles46 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 From the photo I can't determine if the pieces would be more prone to falling than any other trim. In my opinion, if you believe it is likely to fall, then I would do as you did and report it. If you felt it was just so poor an install that you had to say something even thought it may be secure, then I would say something like it is secure, but ..... and then politely say what is really on your mind when you saw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtblum Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Would you write this? Is it a defect? Would you talk about it and not write it? What does it matter? I'd talk about it as soon as I was able to compose myself. I doubt I'd write anything about it. The good news is, they installed it with the correct side at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 So. Every silver lining has a cloud. Would I write it? Depends. I've seen lots of houses that could be nicely summarized by that picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I did not write it. The real question is the inspector response to the question "How much will it cost to fix?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Point and laugh? Yup. But I wouldn't write anything. That is a common sight in these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtblum Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I did not write it. The real question is the inspector response to the question "How much will it cost to fix?" You're not fixing that. It will all have to come down and be replaced to get it right. The whole room. Even if you're lucky enough to be able to come up with a matching pattern, when you take the two sides in the picture down, you not only have to match them, you also have to get real lucky in matching the other corners that may also be butchered. If it was paint grade, you might get away with caulking your way out of the corners left in place. Too much effort. The short added piece on the left side, should be at least four foot in length where it meets the longer to allow for movement that can open the miter. And, it looks better. FWIW; The miter at the split should be at better than a butt joint and at anything less than the 45 degree angle most homeowners and hack trim guys commonly use for splits in crown or baseboard. I prefer 15 degrees or wherever the saw locks when I turn the base. it fits better with no fighting and looks better than a mismatched 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Fabry Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 What an inglorious end to a life of stresses;wind and competitive trees. 200 years of struggle. Ended. A minute of chips. Strained wood resists. Cracks. Surrender. Horizontal. Tree-blood drips from the cambium. Unaware of death. Phloem flowing. Guttae . Surprised drops dropping. No longer defy the pull of gravity. The fresh cut glistens. Dreams of tree-top leaves now dashed. Heat. Desiccant. Dry dust. An odd square edge. Stacked in layers. Horizontal now. Forever. Sunlight a memory. All gone but the flesh. The memory of life in the grain. Annular rings, quartersawn, opalescent under stain. Beauty ignored. Beauty obscured. Ham-fisted jerk. Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtblum Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 What an inglorious end to a life of stresses;wind and competitive trees. 200 years of struggle. Ended. A minute of chips. Strained wood resists. Cracks. Surrender. Horizontal. Tree-blood drips from the cambium. Unaware of death. Phloem flowing. Guttae . Surprised drops dropping. No longer defy the pull of gravity. The fresh cut glistens. Dreams of tree-top leaves now dashed. Heat. Desiccant. Dry dust. An odd square edge. Stacked in layers. Horizontal now. Forever. Sunlight a memory. All gone but the flesh. The memory of life in the grain. Annular rings, quartersawn, opalescent under stain. Beauty ignored. Beauty obscured. Ham-fisted jerk. Hack. That was beautiful, Chad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I have to agree with Chad. Can't blame him for complaining. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Amaral Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Nice job Chad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Shades of Brian Goodman! very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Fabry waxes poetic. I just watched the film about Ginsberg's "Howl" recently. Something like, "I've seen the best craftsmen of my generation destroyed by madness..." Hey Gary, that corner is 'sposed to be "coped" against a butted piece, no? Les, I have before written with derision of "sloppiness" exhibited in work, and have noted that it does not bode well for whatever other work performance there may be, especially the unseeable kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtblum Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hey Gary, that corner is 'sposed to be "coped" against a butted piece, no? Hi Jim, That really depends on who's putting it up. I don't cope crown. Some guys like to. The bigger the crown the harder it is to cope. When you get into 12 inch maple like in this school cafeteria I did, you'd need a sawzall and a trained beaver for the back cut. Click to Enlarge 48.9 KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausdok Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I knew it, Ever since the sheep shearing I was convinced Fabry was morphing into a hippy. Next thing he'll have a pony tail all the way to his buttocks. Such a friggin' shame - another great mind turned to mush. ONE TEAM - ONE FIGHT!!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Bosch jig saw, 1/8" fine tooth blade. Miracle for big back cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baird Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 "...12 inch maple like in this school cafeteria..." Geeez, what a school building. Could not have been public, down here the public and private all look like Soviet camps. Never did like crown myself. Once, 30+ yrs ago, working for a painting contractor working for a house flipper doing an "upgrade", I installed a room full of crown plus dentil upside down. Contractor raised hell but when job was over he thought I had changed it, but I never did. He could not even tell himself that I had not. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dirks Jr Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Shades of Brian Goodman! very nice. [:-thumbu] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtblum Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Geeez, what a school building. Could not have been public, down here the public and private all look like Soviet camps. That is in fact a public school. Forget about the wood work. That's nothing compared to the floor. That's a real deal, old school, seam welded, linoleum floor. It was quite a treat to be working in the same room while that was being installed. It took about a month. Kurt, I have a Bosch jig saw and plenty of down stroke blades. For me, it's not worth the effort or extra time. It only takes one stinking little chip out of it, to ruin it. There's got to be a guy somewhere, trying to invent a GOOD tool for coping. Until then, time is money and if you make your joints right, it doesn't matter how you got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kogel Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Thanks, Chad. That piece of the tree is so defying gravity. Would I report it? No. Would I even mention it? Only if his wife is out of earshot. Psst, needs another nail and some putty. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Katen Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 . . . There's got to be a guy somewhere, trying to invent a GOOD tool for coping. . . There's an excellent one. It works like those machines that duplicate keys. Pretty slick. I was never particularly good with a coping saw. I'd cope freehand on a portable table saw. However, I worked with a guy who did it the old-school way with a regular coping saw. He could cope a complex section of crown in less than 30 seconds and it would be perfect. He was much faster with his hand saw than I was on the table saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Morrison Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I was never particularly good with a coping saw. I'd cope freehand on a portable table saw. However, I worked with a guy who did it the old-school way with a regular coping saw. He could cope a complex section of crown in less than 30 seconds and it would be perfect. He was much faster with his hand saw than I was on the table saw. Believe it or not, I learned to install crown molding from my mother-in-law and (her wife) my other-in-law. They cope freehand with a coping saw and do a damned fine job of it, too. They're not 30-seconds fast, but they're fast and they're good. And now my house has crown molding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Raymond Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I prefer a coping saw. Mine has the blade on backwards. Pull saws cut faster with less effort. Cut a miter, line the edge in pencil, hit it with a coping saw, tune it with a file. The odd corner I choose to miter still needs files and planes to get a decent fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Bosch jig saw, 1/8" fine tooth blade. Miracle for big back cuts. Hate to be a tool snob, but use this one time and you'll throw rocks at any other jiggy....http://www.festoolusa.com/power-tools/j ... saw-561608 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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